Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Interesting... When we tested Innovates their laminova intercooler with on their test mule we were seeing temps drop as much as 100 degrees over the stock temperatures seen on the Innovate Supercharger without the intercooler. We also did some serious testing, out to the desert in the middle of the summer (Chuck Walla Raceway) and the temps stayed consistently low and allowed us to keep the tune more aggressive and of course that that made more power.

Cheers,
William Knose

Where and how were you measuring these temps?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

Sprintex Intercooled Kit installed.
Having problems, car started perfectly first time ran for 5 mins then stalled. car wont idle has anyone encoutered this.
No CEL is being registered
Car runs fine above 1000rpm

If you start your car again from cold, will it again idle fine and then 5 minutes later die and dont want to start and idle again?

If yes, check the connection of your MAF. I had this same situation because the car was started just to test for leaks with the MAF disconnected. It ran fine for 5 minutes, once certain water temp was reached, car shutdown and didn't want to idle again until MAF was properly connected.

[xxscaxx]

JDL uel header on my setup here.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by ntaphse

Okay I'm trying to get through this thread but only on page 40. I'm seeing tons of custom tuning being done on these kits, yet Innovate offers the system with a canned tune. Is it possible to bolt the kit up, load the canned tune from Innovate via ECUTek and have a good driving car? Just wondering if you guys are tuning so much to make more power or to make the car run right.

Hi,

We (Delicious Tuning) has been working directly with Innovate to tune their setup specifically for CARB (California Air Research Board) and have spent nearly 9 months customizing the tune for the stock configuration.

So to answer your question the canned tuned is ours and it can be loaded up and have yourself a good driving vehicle. You are more than welcome to look at our portfolio, experience and background. Also the benefit of going with the canned tune, when we come out with updates for the canned tuned we will offer those free to all our customers.

But if you are changing parts on your vehicle beyond the stock configuration (with the supercharger), which a lot of people are, it might be worth working with a your preferred tuner to help you through that process.

Cheers,
William Knose

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by xxscaxx

JDL uel header on my setup here.

Is it tuned yet?

[ntaphse]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Hi,

We (Delicious Tuning) has been working directly with Innovate to tune their setup specifically for CARB (California Air Research Board) and have spent nearly 9 months customizing the tune for the stock configuration.

So to answer your question the canned tuned is ours and it can be loaded up and have yourself a good driving vehicle. You are more than welcome to look at our portfolio, experience and background. Also the benefit of going with the canned tune, when we come out with updates for the canned tuned we will offer those free to all our customers.

But if you are changing parts on your vehicle beyond the stock configuration (with the supercharger), which a lot of people are, it might be worth working with a your preferred tuner to help you through that process.

Cheers,
William Knose

Very good info, thanks for that! Out of curiosity, since you developed the base tune, what would the cost be to have Delicious update the tune for future mods?

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

I don't know what the non-intercooled temps are, never tested it that way, but I've heard stories of much higher temps than I saw. I'm not saying the chargecooler doesn't work, I'm saying it's not good enough in my opinion. For example, most OEM turbocharged vehicles will start to pull timing once charge temperatures get over 60C, and that's on a properly designed forced induction engine.

You are correct for a turbo charged vehicle with a front mount intercooler these temps are relatively high, though this still depends on how large the turbo is and the amount of boost you are pushing. But the Innovate Intercooler is mounted basically on top of the block and the system is tuned according to this setup, ignition advance adjusted accordingly, etc... The benefit of this system is consistency, keeping the temps consistent for extended periods of time while also being quite a bit cooler then with no additional cooling.

The design is well used on some serious vehicles, take for example the Mercedes Bi-Turbo's. These big torque and power engines run an intercooler in the middle of the where the V8 (literally between the cylinders) and is cooled using the coolant from the engine. Temps only drop as low as the coolant allows, which is about 90C but the benefit is consistent boost/temp all day long, on the track or not. This keeps the tune very consistent no matter the condition, something Mercedes owners are picky about.

Hope that answers some questions,

Cheers,
William Knose

[tech4pdx]

@DeliciousTuning.. Wow, never knew about the intercooler design on the Mercedes bi-turbos. Sounds fascinating! Big money brings big design I suppose.

[Pablitomarrero]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Hi,

We (Delicious Tuning) has been working directly with Innovate to tune their setup specifically for CARB (California Air Research Board) and have spent nearly 9 months customizing the tune for the stock configuration.

So to answer your question the canned tuned is ours and it can be loaded up and have yourself a good driving vehicle. You are more than welcome to look at our portfolio, experience and background. Also the benefit of going with the canned tune, when we come out with updates for the canned tuned we will offer those free to all our customers.

But if you are changing parts on your vehicle beyond the stock configuration (with the supercharger), which a lot of people are, it might be worth working with a your preferred tuner to help you through that process.

Cheers,
William Knose

Booya! Hell yes! I mean I will only have a 2.5 ID catback exhaust...dont know if that will do much difference... Very excited now!! Cant wait for the Intercooler!!

[Ryan86]

After 3 days of fault testing between hardware and software we have identified the problem.
With The 2.5 bar sensor and tune file, I was not getting any CEL faults, so from a install point of view and doing checks for leaks on hoses and all harnesses correctly connected, we assumed mapping was the issue.

New to the FA20 club, I can only thank Tony for his many hours of trying to sort the problem out. A little difficult with our time difference.

Sprintex got involved and requested I put back the stock map sensor and the stock rom file, including taking off the 12psi pulleys and putting back the 10psi pulleys. After doing this started the car, which now idled, howevere if I revved the car as the rpm dropped below 1000rpm it stalled. CEL came on which I assumed was due to the header sensors.
I took a video for Tony so he could see what was happening he immediately asked what the CeL was and asked to run a fault report. PO108 Absolute Manifold Pressure. PROBLEM FOUND....
It is strange that no CEL came on with tuned files and the2.5 bar sensor.

Received this from Sprintex which I thought valuable to share

which MAP (AMP) sensor are you using? We have found that tuning is simpler if you use the factory map sensor, with the mount provided. I realise that this is only a 1.35 bar sensor and that our system will exceed that, however, you will find that this does not cause a code and does not affect the tune. At any more than light throttle, the ECU relies on the MAF for load measurement.

For simplicity, I would use the factory MAP(AMP) sensor to begin with.

Time to take off manifold and sort out.

Thanks to those who gave advise and sent PM really appreciate the support, been a very stressful few days.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by DeliciousTuning

Hope that answers some questions,

Not really. A bit generic to be honest with no actual data.

Originally Posted by Ryan86

We have found that tuning is simpler if you use the factory map sensor

I've heard this too and don't really understand it. I had no issues tuning with the 2.5 bar sensor other than disabling the low MAP value DTC due to the lower offset of the Bosch 2.5 bar. The OE Denso sensor starts at 200mV, the Bosch at 100mV, and that DTC trigger is hard-coded somewhere in the ECU (in a place I don't have access to, yet).

[swift996]

Anyone losing a little coolant? I noticed I lost a tad bit for the 2nd time since installing the supercharger. I have no leaks. It's nothing major but went from near the max fill on the reservoir to the min fill.

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by swift996

Anyone losing a little coolant? I noticed I lost a tad bit for the 2nd time since installing the supercharger. I have no leaks. It's nothing major but went from near the max fill on the reservoir to the min fill.

I've been putting coolant daily for for the last 5 days since install. No coolant leaks.
Seems stable now.

[DarrenDriven]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Out of interest, anyone running an UEL exhaust manifold/header with this supercharger?

RevWorks UEL on mine.

...and uh-oh, CEL P0420: Catalyst System Efficiency Below Threshold (Bank 1)

Cleared the three identical codes and it hasn't tripped again. Maybe a fluke?