Innovate (Sprintex) Supercharger Owners Topic

[ft_sjo]

Unicorn update.


The goods news. The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

The bads news. High charge temperatures. Heat exchanger doesn't seem to be putting much heat into the water, if any. In 30-120mph testing I am seeing charge temperatures as high as 70C which is unacceptable in my opinion. It only gets worse with subsequent pulls. The water in the chargercooler (measured in the overflow bottle) did not exceed 28C during load. Ambient temperature 17-20C. I've fed this back to Sprintex.

I'm not sure i'd consider it fit for purpose, unless your application is just drag racing.

[ICantAffordAnLFA]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Unicorn update.


The goods news. The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

The bads news. High charge temperatures. Heat exchanger doesn't seem to be putting much heat into the water, if any. In 30-120mph testing I am seeing charge temperatures as high as 70C which is unacceptable in my opinion. It only gets worse with subsequent pulls. The water in the chargercooler (measured in the overflow bottle) did not exceed 28C during load. Ambient temperature 17-20C. I've fed this back to Sprintex.

I'm not sure i'd consider it fit for purpose, unless your application is just drag racing.

Care to explain that for the more technically challenged?

[Calum]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Unicorn update.


The goods news. The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

The bads news. High charge temperatures. Heat exchanger doesn't seem to be putting much heat into the water, if any. In 30-120mph testing I am seeing charge temperatures as high as 70C which is unacceptable in my opinion. It only gets worse with subsequent pulls. The water in the chargercooler (measured in the overflow bottle) did not exceed 28C during load. Ambient temperature 17-20C. I've fed this back to Sprintex.

I'm not sure i'd consider it fit for purpose, unless your application is just drag racing.

Originally Posted by ICantAffordAnLFA

Care to explain that for the more technically challenged?

First he starts off with the positive update. And that is, the temperature sensor in the manifold absolute pressure sensor that is supplied with the Sprintex version of this kit has the same change in resistance per change in temperature. You will have to calibrate the it, but you wont have to completely remap it. He'll even tell you which pin, on the mass air flow sensor, to splice in the temperature sensor so that the original equipment manufacturer's electronic control unit can read the aforementioned temperature. (The reason this is advantageous over the factory temperature sensor in the mass air flow sensor, is that the sensor in the manifold absolute pressure sensor is after the compressor, which generates a lot of heat, thus making temperatures reading much more accurate and meaning full.)

The negative part of his update is that intercooler is doing very little to effect the temperature of the air going into the motor. The water circulating through the air to water intercooler isn't getting warm and the air isn't getting cooled.

Basically, if you plan to run this kit with 91 octane, or even with 93 I'd say, go get a meth kit.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Unicorn update.


The goods news. The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

The bads news. High charge temperatures. Heat exchanger doesn't seem to be putting much heat into the water, if any. In 30-120mph testing I am seeing charge temperatures as high as 70C which is unacceptable in my opinion. It only gets worse with subsequent pulls. The water in the chargercooler (measured in the overflow bottle) did not exceed 28C during load. Ambient temperature 17-20C. I've fed this back to Sprintex.

I'm not sure i'd consider it fit for purpose, unless your application is just drag racing.

I'll be interested to see how @FA20Club.com's numbers compare with the larger core.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Unicorn update.
The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

could you pls write a DIY on this?

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by vgi

could you pls write a DIY on this?

Won't do you much good in the US unless you specifically source that map sensor. The Innovate kit reuses the stock sensor.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Won't do you much good in the US unless you specifically source that map sensor. The Innovate kit reuses the stock sensor.

my understanding it could be either of the 2:
- get this 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor instead of IAT plate
- hope that Innovate will supply this sensor with their intercooled kit

besides, not only us folks in US read this forum

[calispec]

Can you supply us with a part number or picture of the Bosch sensor so I can take a stab at finding one? I am looking at getting a larger MAP sensor any way and wouldn't mind killing two birds with one stone.

[DeliciousTuning]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Unicorn update.


The goods news. The thermistor integrated in the 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor which Sprintex supply with their charge cooler kit has the same linearisation curve as the OE sensor on the car. Plug'n'play (with cal change for offset/range). I'll even tell you what pin it is on the MAF plug if you spread magical sprinkles.

The bads news. High charge temperatures. Heat exchanger doesn't seem to be putting much heat into the water, if any. In 30-120mph testing I am seeing charge temperatures as high as 70C which is unacceptable in my opinion. It only gets worse with subsequent pulls. The water in the chargercooler (measured in the overflow bottle) did not exceed 28C during load. Ambient temperature 17-20C. I've fed this back to Sprintex.

I'm not sure i'd consider it fit for purpose, unless your application is just drag racing.

Interesting... When we tested Innovates their laminova intercooler with on their test mule we were seeing temps drop as much as 100 degrees over the stock temperatures seen on the Innovate Supercharger without the intercooler. We also did some serious testing, out to the desert in the middle of the summer (Chuck Walla Raceway) and the temps stayed consistently low and allowed us to keep the tune more aggressive and of course that that made more power.

Definitely speak to Innovate or Sprintex about this. Something seems amiss.

Also do you know what temps you were seeing on the vehicle with out the intercooler?

Cheers,
William Knose

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by vgi

my understanding it could be either of the 2:
- get this 2.5 bar Bosch MAP sensor instead of IAT plate
- hope that Innovate will supply this sensor with their intercooled kit

besides, not only us folks in US read this forum

I have ordered the IAT plate from FA20Club should arrive shortly, was something they recommended.

I have the 2.5 bosch sensor on the Intercooled version that comes with the kit.
Im having a issue where we cannot get the car to idle, just keeps stalling as the rpm goes under 1000rpm.

been a long 4 days car standing.

[xjohnx]

Originally Posted by Ryan86

I have ordered the IAT plate from FA20Club should arrive shortly, was something they recommended.

I have the 2.5 bosch sensor on the Intercooled version that comes with the kit.
Im having a issue where we cannot get the car to idle, just keeps stalling as the rpm goes under 1000rpm.

been a long 4 days car standing.

which fuel pump, injectors and tuner?

[Ryan86]

Originally Posted by xjohnx

which fuel pump, injectors and tuner?

I was told that the stock fuel pump and injectors must be used dont need to change.

Fa20Club tuning

Tony been working all weekend and we just not winning.

[ntaphse]

Okay I'm trying to get through this thread but only on page 40. I'm seeing tons of custom tuning being done on these kits, yet Innovate offers the system with a canned tune. Is it possible to bolt the kit up, load the canned tune from Innovate via ECUTek and have a good driving car? Just wondering if you guys are tuning so much to make more power or to make the car run right.

[brianhj]

Originally Posted by ntaphse

Okay I'm trying to get through this thread but only on page 40. I'm seeing tons of custom tuning being done on these kits, yet Innovate offers the system with a canned tune. Is it possible to bolt the kit up, load the canned tune from Innovate via ECUTek and have a good driving car? Just wondering if you guys are tuning so much to make more power or to make the car run right.

I'd like to know this as well... My car is stock