I'm very disappointed with Toyota..

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Rampage

A lot of people keep saying that these issues are unacceptable for a Toyota. Apparently they have a short memory. Look back to the last sports and sporty cars that Toyota produced.

MR2 Spyder
Early model issues - pre cats located in manifold could fail resulting in clogged main cat and particles ingested back into engine causing cylinder scarring and increased oil consumption. Results = total engine failure. Oil consumption issues led to crank bearing failure. Results = total engine failure. Transmission synchro problems on some 5 speed manuals. Other minor rattles and annoyances.

Celica GT-S
Early model issues - Random misfire CEL. Remedy was TSB to replace ECU and injectors. Transmission issues with failed sychros. Issues with oil pumps exploding during high RPM usage (improper downshifting blamed). Results = total engine failure. Oil starvation problems during hard cornering resulting in crank bearing damage. Results = total engine failure. (Why would a sporty car with an engine that is easily susceptible to oil starvation damage not have any baffles at all in the oil pan?) Other minor issues and rattles.

In both cases, Toyota had to replace engines, short blocks and transmissions under warranty. Most of the issues were fixed in subsequent model years. Some were never fixed and were blamed on driver error or lack of maintenance.

There are other examples with Toyota sports cars like the snap oversteer issue in the first year models of the MKII MR2 that Toyota addressed with suspension geometry changes in later years. I could go on but if you look back you will find Toyota has not been without problems with any of their sports (or sporty) cars.

I love Toyota but they are not foolproof when they build anything other than a car that is going to be driven like a Camry. As has been said many times in this thread; early adopters have to expect problems. Even when you are buying a Toyota.

Theres also the 1MZ V6 oil sludging issue that they seemed to have just brushed under the rug until they fixed it in the back without the all watching eye of the public peering in. They would just say "see, the owners don't change oil at the recommended intervals, its their fault. our engines are fine". All the while the background shenanigans is them dealing with lawsuits and stuff.

Lets also not forget about unintended acceleration. Whether its a gas pedal design flaw, or electronic glitch or whatever, they end up just blaming improper floor mat installation (due to overlapping 2 mats together or using aftermarket mats).

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Lets also not forget about unintended acceleration. Whether its a gas pedal design flaw, or electronic glitch or whatever, they end up just blaming improper floor mat installation (due to overlapping 2 mats together or using aftermarket mats).

The Root Cause that was determined by the NTSB (if memory serves) was that the gas pedal installed on the vehicles that actually had the U.A. was too long, and it would get caught on improperly installed floor mats. Electronics were investigated, but it was found that the throttle control circuit would fail or burn out before it would cause U.A.

[FRSRAVEN]

If it makes the OP feel any better, I've considered, and still am considering trading in my FRS. I love the car, but want more power. I'm exploring my FI options, but part of me says if I'm going to dump $5000 into it, I might as well take that $5000 and buy something with a V8.

But nothing with a V8, that I can afford, will drive or handle as nice as the twins. It makes me smile every time I drive it....just usually not when accelerating.

[KevinBRZ]

The only issue I've had with mine is one of the rails was rubbing on the driver's side window which scratched it. The dealer replaced it right away and it's fine now. I had a bit of trouble with 2nd gear, but I changed the fluid to Redline and it's fine now. I have rattles on my passenger side speaker panel with heavier bass, but that's an issue with most cars. I have not had any of these other issues. Any first year product in any category can have higher than average issues.

I have the BRZ Limited and I'm impressed with the overall quality. I look inside other new cars and they seem really cheap and uninspired. I really like most of the interior. I believe the BRZ Limited is a bit nicer inside compared to the FR-S though.

[nab335]

wow I'm so grateful I haven't had any engine or technical isssues with this car. My other car, on the other hand, is just a whole different story

[slowride]

When I ordered my FR-S, the CEL problems were very new, and I couldn't risk having my commuter fall under some issues that would strand me. I've seen posts here that say "First year car, bro, it is what you get". After a very long time of watching, I decided against it.

Well, I bought a 2013 V6 6MT Accord Coupe about 7 months ago after cancelling my FR-S order, and haven't had anything but excellent performance since then. Not a single issue in a first year car, with about 280 HP and tons of tech.

[regal]

Originally Posted by Rampage

A lot of people keep saying that these issues are unacceptable for a Toyota. Apparently they have a short memory. Look back to the last sports and sporty cars that Toyota produced.

MR2 Spyder
Early model issues - pre cats located in manifold could fail resulting in clogged main cat and particles ingested back into engine causing cylinder scarring and increased oil consumption. Results = total engine failure. Oil consumption issues led to crank bearing failure. Results = total engine failure. Transmission synchro problems on some 5 speed manuals. Other minor rattles and annoyances.

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I'm glad you brought Toyotas last sports car. the other Toyota sports car forum(Spyderchat) rallied behind early model owners and came up with several ways to fix this problem. Several warnings were posted and a lot of people benefited.

On this forum it seems you bring up a problem/issue and you get chastised, a lot of denial and defensiveness here rather than "lets put our heads together and fix it." that probably more than anything is why the op made such a depressing post.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by slowride

tons of tech.

And that right there is why the Accord is not fun to drive but the FR-S is. The Honda is without question a better commuter car but it is not a sports car. It sounds like you made a great choice that fits your needs perfectly.

[frosty86]

Originally Posted by regal

On this forum it seems you bring up a problem/issue and you get chastised, a lot of denial and defensiveness here rather than "lets put our heads together and fix it." that probably more than anything is why the op made such a depressing post.

This is pretty much how it is everywhere else though. You have a small % of people who are able to step back and analyze the whole situation (and help you with a reasonable solution)... Then you got the large % of idiots getting all up in your face because the said situation doesn't apply to them. Either they got lucky with no lemon, they're egocentric or too stupid to realize any flaws (or maybe all of it combined). You shouldn't judge everyone here just because of the small % of autistic manlets.

[regal]

Originally Posted by frosty86

You shouldn't judge everyone here just because of the small % of autistic manlets.

I agree there is a lot of good info here. as time goes on I'm confident that this forum will be a better resource than the dealer when it comes to everything from rattles to complex engine management issues.

[thill]

Originally Posted by regal

I'm glad you brought Toyotas last sports car. the other Toyota sports car forum(Spyderchat) rallied behind early model owners and came up with several ways to fix this problem. Several warnings were posted and a lot of people benefited.

On this forum it seems you bring up a problem/issue and you get chastised, a lot of denial and defensiveness here rather than "lets put our heads together and fix it." that probably more than anything is why the op made such a depressing post.

There are a lot of helpful people posting on this forum. We also have people posting here with no qualified knowledge of the issues and, unfortunately, their advice is inaccurate and damaging to the forum. Telling people that their car will explode at 30k miles due to DI issues, that everyone who drives spiritedly needs a tune, etc.. That is not helpful and only causes people to worry when they had no reason to be concerned in the first place.

[Mikem53]

Originally Posted by regal

On this forum it seems you bring up a problem/issue and you get chastised, a lot of denial and defensiveness here rather than "lets put our heads together and fix it." that probably more than anything is why the op made such a depressing post.

Well some people claim the sky is falling all the time.. They read some hear-say post about a problem and start posting it like it was gospel. Blaming the OEM based on a previous car model or some ancient example no longer relevant to anything. Telling everyone to drive slow cause their cars will blow up.. Or the engine will only last 60k miles because someone who tracked their car and blew up their engine and that equates to 60k miles of driving. To get a tune cause the factory engineers don't know shit and your better off with a tune by fisher price than the OEM.
That all scion rental cars have DI failure and aren't being used anymore. And scion is closing most of the dealerships and is going the way of Saturn.
So excuse those who chastise an seem in denial..
Based on these kinds of posts mostly presented by you, without fact or follow up.. What did you expect?

[regal]

Originally Posted by thill

There are a lot of helpful people posting on this forum. We also have people posting here with no qualified knowledge of the issues and, unfortunately, their advice is inaccurate and damaging to the forum. Telling people that their care will explode at 30k miles due to DI issues, that everyone who drives spiritedly needs a tune, etc.. That is not helpful and only causes people to worry when they had no reason to be concerned in the first place.

Here we go, denial solves nothing.

[cuddefred]

Having read most of this I am going to make an assumption and suggest that the venting/anger/frustration that is clearly apparent throughout this thread may also have been present when you spoke to the dealership, which would do you no favours at all! Having been in a customer service role all my working life I would advise you to take a deep breath, explain your problems in a firm but reasonable manner and if you do so, it is likely you will get better results than if you just unload on someone. :happy0180:

Originally Posted by husker741

I know that. But everyone keeps saying their own opinion that it should be locked and that it's a flame war. So I'm doing as I'm told before I get in trouble again by the wise smartasses of FT86Club.