Are you faster with traction control on or off?

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by thill

Or you can know what to and not to do and leave TC on most of the time. I don't find the TC in this car invasive at all. Drive a Gencoupe sometime... Or a GTI....

I drove a Mustang... I found TC intrusive on that, I find it equally annoying on the FR-S.

BMW did it somewhat right with MDM mode in the new M's

[bestwheelbase]

I am surprised by the way some folks defend these traction control systems. As though driving without them is reckless.

This is exactly how all AE86 and 2000GT are driven.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I am surprised by the way some folks defend these traction control systems. As though driving without them is reckless.

This is exactly how all cars before Drive-by-wire where driven

FTFY!

[thill]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I am surprised by the way some folks defend these traction control systems. As though driving without them is reckless.

This is exactly how all AE86 and 2000GT are driven.

I don't view it as reckless if you know what you are doing. I just don't see the point in disabling it when I am commuting in traffic or driving mostly through the city and residential neighborhoods.

You guys also assume that most people know what they are doing when they start to lose the backend and know how to course correct. For many people this may be their first RWD sports car.. Hell, it could be their first car.

[Suberman]

Originally Posted by thill

I don't view it as reckless if you know what you are doing. I just don't see the point in disabling it when I am commuting in traffic or driving mostly through the city and residential neighborhoods.

You guys also assume that most people know what they are doing when they start to lose the backend and know how to course correct. For many people this may be their first RWD sports car.. Hell, it could be their first car.

I agree. However, under most conditions the BRZ isn't hard to control.

One difficult aspect of these stability controls is manufacturers can make the car less stable and make the driver rely on stability control to keep things under control. That's not why they were invented but that's what they are often used for.

My opinion is that the Torsen diff is too tight. The car actually twitches worse with stability control on than it does with it off.

There's also a rear toe out problem that I think is deliberate, which makes the car unnecessarily unstable. The rear suspension allows early oversteer which is slow and hard to control.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by thill

I don't view it as reckless if you know what you are doing. I just don't see the point in disabling it when I am commuting in traffic or driving mostly through the city and residential neighborhoods.

You guys also assume that most people know what they are doing when they start to lose the backend and know how to course correct. For many people this may be their first RWD sports car.. Hell, it could be their first car.

Pointless or not, I like to keep it off, I live through a twisty road anyways... so my commute always has a lil bit of spirited driving.

Those who buy a brand new car as a first car are stupid... the first year is where most accidents happen, granted my first car didn't have any nannies and I didn't crash it, but I did lose control, I regained it with some pure luck, but when a FWD car looses the back end, you better hold on for the ride... I bought new tires and underware after that... the joys of being 16... lol

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Everyone can choose to have TC on or Off.

Those who need to have mommy and daddy hold their hand to cross the street and tell them what to do keep TC on.

Those who rely on themselves, and know what to and not to do, keep TC off

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

I wish... I'm an average driver... only below average drivers require TC since they constantly need their asses saved

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by bestwheelbase

I am surprised by the way some folks defend these traction control systems. As though driving without them is reckless.

This is exactly how all AE86 and 2000GT are driven.

3-point seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones weren't always standard features either. I wonder how much weight you could take out of the car by removing all of the airbags? Or is that not in the category of being nice to have "just in case".

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

I wish... I'm an average driver... only below average drivers require TC since they constantly need their asses saved

Even the most expert drivers in the world make mistakes...

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

3-point seatbelts, airbags, and crumple zones weren't always standard features either. I wonder how much weight you could take out of the car by removing all of the airbags? Or is that not in the category of being nice to have "just in case".



Even the most expert drivers in the world make mistakes...

Don't worry. Paul Walker here never makes mistakes. He lives life 1/4 mile at a time.

[Freetime]

This would be an easy fix. TC off and accident = no coverage. Just like if you are not wearing your seat belt and get in an accident.
You morons aren't just putting your own lives and (precious) cars at risk. There are other people involved too.
Save the TC off for the track. If you are on the road, be responsible and leave it ON.

I definitely see a future for people getting in trouble for not having it on. Wreck into me because you lost control of your car and you had TC off? I'm going to sue the (*&$(&* out of you for being a moron.

[maj75]

Like you would forgive them otherwise...

[BRZerk]

ill do VSC when im in the twisties, but TC only is completely off when i be hooning.

its saved my ass before so i have some faith in the systems. they do their job well.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

Don't worry. Paul Walker here never makes mistakes. He lives life 1/4 mile at a time.

No wonder you flipped a tC... you got all you're skills from watching Fast and Furious