Gran Turismo 6 GT86

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by cfusionpm

The only real reason to reserve a copy of a game is if it's a special edition or limited run version of the game. And sometimes even those stick around on shelves for months on end. Heck, I saw Halo 3 Legendary Editions on shelves for at least a year. Just depends on how many are made and how many people buy them. For standard versions of games, unless there's some kind of content bonus or other bonus, there's really no reason to reserve.

Sometimes I feel like content bonuses are a way of capitalizing on things that should have been included with the game (skins, weapons, etc...)

In cases like this where what they're giving you can be obtained in-game, then it might detroy the whole immersion factor that made the other GT's so great. Most of the races I remember aren't the ones where I drove a GT-R in the Clubman Cup, its where I bought a crappy first car and used it to build an empire. Giving someone 25 high powered cars to start doesn't teach them how to use a racing line - it teaches them how to ride the wall. Like if the first car you were ever given was a brand new 455 HP Corvette C7. I feel like it takes something away by just giving you everything right off the bat. Just my opinion though, some people probably just want to drive everything from the start without having to complete some slow-ass races.

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas

Most games today are produced in sufficient quantities that they should not be sold out unless it is a niche game or if you live in a rural area where there aren't a lot of game shops. At this point, needing to secure a copy is mostly a myth. After all, if the people who made the game can sell more, why wouldn't they produce enough copies to sell as many as they can?

Not that I think it doesn't have its place, because it certainly does, but this is how people end up upset when the final product does not live up to the hype or meet the expectation when it is finally released.

So I live in the bay area. Not some rural city. Every place I went to on launch day for Last of Us has the game sold out with no more copies arriving until the following week. I guess that's mostly a myth then? Me driving all over Fremont/Milpitas/San Jose trying to find a copy? What pre-ordering gets you is a place in line so sell-outs like that, if they happen, you're not stuck waiting if you don't want to wait. Again, Amazon is not a commitment to buy, it's a place in line. You can easily cancel your order at any point, and no money changes hands until it's time to ship. It's the most ideal way to handle this stuff. They tell the publisher how many copies they'll need from pre-orders as well as how many they'd like to have in stock based on demand. The publisher can print only the amount to meet that demand, and not be stuck with wasted product. Forecasting and analysis at it's best.

If you're going to bring up people complaining, they'd do that even if they waited. I waited for the hype to die down on GTA4, and it didn't. I picked it up, and never even got to the second island, much less the larger city. The game just didn't work for me. I hated Nico as a main character, and couldn't care less about what he was doing, nor doing trivial stuff like running people over with cars. I prefer a great narrative with characters I enjoy. The reviews and first-hand accounts told me that it was great, I avoided the pre-order, still got burned. It's all personal opinion though.

Everyone is different, a pre-order isn't going to make or break someone's opinion of a game. Instead they'll be more cautious about the next game from that developer/publisher. Another example is BF3. I played the shit out of Bad Company 2 on PC, so I hoped on the BF3 train. I was so furious with the poor support in that game. The cheating is insanely bad, DICE had no proper channel to PunkBuster, and they had so many glitches people were abusing non-stop, and tons of them are still in the game. As a result, BF4 is not pre-ordered, and I have zero plans to play it.

We are WAY off topic now though. I pre-ordered GT6 from Amazon. I've played a fair amount of 5, and am interested to see the changes/improvements. I'm hoping they'll get some more wheel options and let us play with offsets, etc. I'm also hoping they'll adjust the audio notes for the cars to be a bit less generic, but I'm not holding my breath for that one. They all have a unique idle, but whatever processing they're using to convert to acceleration makes them all sound too similar. I'm probably going to do what I did with 5 and just drive the cars I want to drive on the tracks I want to trying to best my laps times. I spent close to 80 hours doing that stuff in 5.

[OrangeJuleas]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

So I live in the bay area. Not some rural city. Every place I went to on launch day for Last of Us has the game sold out with no more copies arriving until the following week. I guess that's mostly a myth then? Me driving all over Fremont/Milpitas/San Jose trying to find a copy? What pre-ordering gets you is a place in line so sell-outs like that, if they happen, you're not stuck waiting if you don't want to wait. Again, Amazon is not a commitment to buy, it's a place in line. You can easily cancel your order at any point, and no money changes hands until it's time to ship. It's the most ideal way to handle this stuff. They tell the publisher how many copies they'll need from pre-orders as well as how many they'd like to have in stock based on demand. The publisher can print only the amount to meet that demand, and not be stuck with wasted product. Forecasting and analysis at it's best.

If you're going to bring up people complaining, they'd do that even if they waited. I waited for the hype to die down on GTA4, and it didn't. I picked it up, and never even got to the second island, much less the larger city. The game just didn't work for me. I hated Nico as a main character, and couldn't care less about what he was doing, nor doing trivial stuff like running people over with cars. I prefer a great narrative with characters I enjoy. The reviews and first-hand accounts told me that it was great, I avoided the pre-order, still got burned. It's all personal opinion though.

Everyone is different, a pre-order isn't going to make or break someone's opinion of a game. Instead they'll be more cautious about the next game from that developer/publisher. Another example is BF3. I played the shit out of Bad Company 2 on PC, so I hoped on the BF3 train. I was so furious with the poor support in that game. The cheating is insanely bad, DICE had no proper channel to PunkBuster, and they had so many glitches people were abusing non-stop, and tons of them are still in the game. As a result, BF4 is not pre-ordered, and I have zero plans to play it.

We are WAY off topic now though. I pre-ordered GT6 from Amazon. I've played a fair amount of 5, and am interested to see the changes/improvements. I'm hoping they'll get some more wheel options and let us play with offsets, etc. I'm also hoping they'll adjust the audio notes for the cars to be a bit less generic, but I'm not holding my breath for that one. They all have a unique idle, but whatever processing they're using to convert to acceleration makes them all sound too similar. I'm probably going to do what I did with 5 and just drive the cars I want to drive on the tracks I want to trying to best my laps times. I spent close to 80 hours doing that stuff in 5.

Of course, mostly a myth, like I said. I live near LA, bought GTAIV, Bioshock Infinite, Dead Space 3 pretty much on their release dates and never had to go to more than 2 game stores to get a copy. If "The Last of Us" was sold out for any more than a week, then that store/publisher is losing money on potential sales. That's why I'm saying mostly a myth. Of course that doesn't mean it will be in stock for everyone, and if playing on release day or having the convenience of at-home delivery, by all means do it. I am not criticizing your way of life, just trying to spark conversation. :happy0180:

I beat GTAIV the whole way, thought "eh" and then played the Saints Row series. Gameplay is a world apart - much more fun when you removed some of the realism. I wish I would have rented it and saved myself a few bucks and an extra trip to the store. People complain all the time, they're allowed to, I understand that.

As for GT6, I would love to see better engine sounds in game. I have to turn the already lowered music down to practically 0 just to hear anything except for the F1 car. AI is pretty bad still - glad to hear they're working on it. I also want them to bring back the wheel customization from 3 - wherein as a daily special you could get wheels from other cars. Occasionally I would get the baby moons and put them on something I liked. I've played the Driving Academy from the new one and thought that the physics and handling was better, but it really did feel more like an update than a complete standalone. I suppose we'll see when I get my hands on a copy!

[BlueDubbinTDI]

Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6

I dont get why they decided to make another PS3 version so close to the release of the PS4

I'm hoping this is the case for Forza 5 as well. I have zero interest in buying the next gen right now.

[CAMBAM_6]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

Larger install base means more sales.

Doesnt the value of the system and games drop with the release of the new system? Doesnt really make sense to me when Forza has already moved on to the next gen system. Guess we will see how this turns out

[CAMBAM_6]

Originally Posted by BlueDubbinTDI

I'm hoping this is the case for Forza 5 as well. I have zero interest in buying the next gen right now.

Forza already announced a copy for the xbox one...not sure if it will be for 360 also...maybe

[denkigrve]

Originally Posted by CAMBAM_6

Doesnt the value of the system and games drop with the release of the new system? Doesnt really make sense to me when Forza has already moved on to the next gen system. Guess we will see how this turns out

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. So Sony is banking on selling a large number of copies to recoup their costs. The install base of PS3 is 70+ Million potential customers. PS4 has 1 million pre-orders. So you're talk about an install base of 1m vs 70m. So the goal is to sell as many copies as possible, PS4 isn't the best platform to do that at the moment.

More than likely this was supposed to be out before PS4, and was heavily delayed but it would cost too much to pivot to PS4. I mean we're talking about Gran Turismo here... There is definitely a bigger picture we're not seeing. We're only getting the "It's coming out December 6th for PS3" line out of Sony, but working in the electronics industry for 8+ years now, it's easy to figure out what is going on. It's all about recouping the costs.

[cfusionpm]

Originally Posted by OrangeJuleas

Sometimes I feel like content bonuses are a way of capitalizing on things that should have been included with the game (skins, weapons, etc...)

In cases like this where what they're giving you can be obtained in-game, then it might detroy the whole immersion factor that made the other GT's so great. Most of the races I remember aren't the ones where I drove a GT-R in the Clubman Cup, its where I bought a crappy first car and used it to build an empire. Giving someone 25 high powered cars to start doesn't teach them how to use a racing line - it teaches them how to ride the wall. Like if the first car you were ever given was a brand new 455 HP Corvette C7. I feel like it takes something away by just giving you everything right off the bat. Just my opinion though, some people probably just want to drive everything from the start without having to complete some slow-ass races.

Reminds me of this:

[CAMBAM_6]

Originally Posted by denkigrve

You're looking at it from the wrong angle. So Sony is banking on selling a large number of copies to recoup their costs. The install base of PS3 is 70+ Million potential customers. PS4 has 1 million pre-orders. So you're talk about an install base of 1m vs 70m. So the goal is to sell as many copies as possible, PS4 isn't the best platform to do that at the moment.

More than likely this was supposed to be out before PS4, and was heavily delayed but it would cost too much to pivot to PS4. I mean we're talking about Gran Turismo here... There is definitely a bigger picture we're not seeing. We're only getting the "It's coming out December 6th for PS3" line out of Sony, but working in the electronics industry for 8+ years now, it's easy to figure out what is going on. It's all about recouping the costs.

I understand what your saying they probably have been working on this for awhile now but im sure the PS4 was no secret to Polyphony, and if its just about selling to a bigger base (70 million) which gran turismo 5 is at 10 million+ units sold to date on a 7+ year old system. I dont think sales will be as high IMO due to the PS4 release(and u say 1 million pre orders that number will double as it gets closer to release date then double again upon release) So now we wont see a PS4 version until its been out for atleast 4 years which is disapointing. Lets face it ive bought very few ps2 games after i bought the ps3 and some people upgrade and never look back.