Power is relative, and (mostly) over emphasized

[red_comet]

Originally Posted by meadowz06

Honest opinion. Would you guys trade this car(my car) for a FRS? 27,000 miles, built by Lingenfelter. 560hp.
I am seriously considering it!! And I NEVER race the Corvette on any track.

Originally Posted by lickitysplit

No.

+1 for no, don't trade it in. Beautiful vehicle.

[skye67]

I own a 535HP 925 TQ truck and I feel I need more..... But the handling of the BRZ is awesome.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by meadowz06

Honest opinion. Would you guys trade this car(my car) for a FRS? 27,000 miles, built by Lingenfelter. 560hp.
I am seriously considering it!! And I NEVER race the Corvette on any track.

Beautiful car! Aren't the Lingenfelters pretty rare? I'd keep the Vette and wait a year or two to pick up a used FR-S to be your DD (and for track use if you haven't tried that yet). Keep the wear and tear off the Vette.

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by meadowz06

Honest opinion. Would you guys trade this car(my car) for a FRS? 27,000 miles, built by Lingenfelter. 560hp.
I am seriously considering it!! And I NEVER race the Corvette on any track.

Never

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

Non daily driver? I'd trade the Corvette for a NSX because I like them more and a transverse leaf spring doesn't exactly fill my **** up.

I really don't understand why people complain so much about the leaf spring - the Corvette is one of the best handling cars (in terms of actual performance) that money can buy, so clearly the leaf spring isn't holding it back. It's lighter than coil springs, keeps the CG lower than coil springs, and even acts as an anti-roll bar in addition to being a spring. The suspension geometry on the Corvette is a true double wishbone, so the wheel motion is well-controlled. Basically, the leaf spring used on the Corvette is an excellent way for them to have light weight and high performance, and everyone just loves to hate on it because it shares the name with the springs used on large trucks (even if the design implementation is completely different).

[chrisl]

Oh, and I agree with the people saying keep the Corvette. The BRZ/FRS is a good car. It isn't as good as a Lingenfelter Vette though.

[meadowz06]

Thanks for the replies!

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by thill

I don't know if this is the best comparison or not, but MSRP on a WRX base vs a WRX STi base is a $8300.

Base (Premium) BRZ MSRP is $25,595 (2014 pricing). Add $8000 onto that and an STi BRZ would be $33.5K ish.. Seems about right.. Not sure if Toyota would give you fewer options and price it lower... $31Kish?

It is more than I would like to spend.. But I love this car so much I would probably wait a year or so for demand to go down and pull the trigger..

IMO that's not the best comparison, and this is why I say that. Yes a base WRX is $25,995 but the "base" STI is equipped more like a Premium WRX, which costs $28,495. Subtracting the difference from the WRX STI ($34,495) is $6,000. So to say that a BRZ Premium could be given a "proper" STI treatment (50+ hp boost, revised suspension, different wing, enlarged brakes) for $31,495 ($25,495 + $6,000) seems reasonable to me.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I like how you didn't quote me so I could respond that the post I responded to did not list a price requirement.

Compromises have to be made, compromises that major auto makers aren't willing to make to the interior and comfort (since you're asking for quality everything else). People bitch about how "bare bones" the FRS is, imagine the response to the car you're dreaming of.

Oh wait you don't have to imagine, kit cars fill that void.
http://www.uscaterham.com/
https://www.factoryfive.com/

I'm sure there's more, I just posted the reputable ones off the top of my head. Until then look back retroactively and realize the performance per dollar we're getting today vs. 10, 20, 30+ years ago.

i.e. in 1990 accounting just for inflation you're talking about a $14k budget.
That's right around the price of a new Nissan 240sx at the time, weighs about what ours weighs 2,800-2,900 lbs and a whopping 140hp! (Good motor though, just did the timing chain on the one in my truck).
RX7 was almost $18,000 that year, 160 hp, but it's a pig at 3,000 lbs

The kind of car you're asking for manufactures simply cannot make for a profit today. Maybe in ten years when they get cheaper composites and more engine development we might hit a car with your targets. I guess you'll fire back that with $5k/unit an OEM can add 80hp to this car to hit your 10:1 lbs/hp without destroying profit margin, which, if they could I'm sure they would.

Where did I say I demanded creature comforts and that the FR-S is bare bones? I've said it over and over again that the primary reason I got a BRZ over an FRS is the HID headlights. I couldn't care less about all the other crap they heap on you. I would take a bare-bones FRS with 250+ hp (from the factory) over a BRZ Limited every time. I care about performance, not heated seats, bluetooth sync, built in Nav, fog lights, dual zone automatic climate control, etc. I was perfectly happy with the spartan interior of my S2000.

[thill]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

IMO that's not the best comparison, and this is why I say that. Yes a base WRX is $25,995 but the "base" STI is equipped more like a Premium WRX, which costs $28,495. Subtracting the difference from the WRX STI ($34,495) is $6,000. So to say that a BRZ Premium could be given a "proper" STI treatment (50+ hp boost, revised suspension, different wing, enlarged brakes) for $31,495 ($25,495 + $6,000) seems reasonable to me.

MSRP of a BRZ Limited is $28.3K (including delievery). I would love to be able to buy a BRZ Sti for just $3K more (although I don't think I could give up the push button start .

I still think it will be closer to $33-34K with delivery. Of course that is assuming you pay MSRP. I would wait a year at least..

[WolfpackS2k]

Yeah I agree. I'm just saying its not an unrealistic request. If it happened and there were 2 trim options for a BRZ STI I would go for the lower trim option, as the higher one would probably be out of my price range.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by chrisl

I really don't understand why people complain so much about the leaf spring - the Corvette is one of the best handling cars (in terms of actual performance) that money can buy, so clearly the leaf spring isn't holding it back..

I agree, but I tend to look at everything through "race car tinted glasses."

I also wasn't complaining about it, nor did I say it was bad, I just said it doesn't make me horny. Do you have such an emotional attachment to your one-piece-composite-mono-spring that should justify such a defensive stance?

This read here will make you feel better about your beloved Transverse Leaf

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...ad.php?t=13582

[rice_classic]

Has anyone actually nailed down how much of a financial premium RWD to the MSRP of a new vehicle? $1000? $5000?

I accept that I paid a bit more for my 200hp sports car because it's RWD but what I don't yet understand is "how much"?

Since I don't give a damn about driving sideways and I don't have some dumb hangup about FWD cars I have to look at the Twins at their current price point as justifiable due to their drivetrain layout.

But I still do not know how much of that RWD premium is "justifiable"... to myself. I ask myself this everyday.

[Admiral Ballsy]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I accept that I paid a bit more for my 200hp sports car because it's RWD

I think it's more accurate to say that you paid more because it's a unique platform that's not having its R&D cost spread over hundreds of thousands of units. Rear drive costs more, but in the overall scheme it's not nearly as expensive as single-application platforms.

There's a reason the Mustang has only had one real platform change since 1977, and if the Corolla was RWD, it'd still be inexpensive.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I agree, but I tend to look at everything through "race car tinted glasses."

I also wasn't complaining about it, nor did I say it was bad, I just said it doesn't make me horny. Do you have such an emotional attachment to your one-piece-composite-mono-spring that should justify such a defensive stance?

This read here will make you feel better about your beloved Transverse Leaf

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...ad.php?t=13582

That's an odd response, considering I don't even own a corvette...