FT-86 Australian price?

[Lobo]

Originally Posted by coyote

Please don't compare my Liberty to some crappy old Datsun.

lol mate an R34 GTR would run rings around both your Liberty and a BRZ

[coyote]

I'm not your mate, mate.

[Varvs]

comparing the 86 to my 180 w/ SR20DET, there is a few positives in terms of engine and drivetrain. being NA and high strung, its going to have better response that the turbo SR, but having to wring its neck at the high end to make it worth while is a little disappointing. reviewers say that they didnt have to strangle it to get to the torque. I guess peak torque is different to 'whats below the line'.

the suspension and handling has been compared to that of an S-chassis and supposedly is very similar, which should provide very similar driving characteristics with the addition of the lower CoG and better weight distribution.

interior is similar sorta theme to the S-cars - spartan, basic with only enough knobs and switches to cover the basics.

exterior design - I would have to get the full TRD body kid and some new wheels to satisfy my taste in the looks department - its hard to top a Type X for a coupe visually.



at the end of the day it comes down to taking one for a test drive. Im sure we are all waiting for the day.

[Slide]

Originally Posted by coyote

My Liberty runs on E85 and still gets better than 10l/100km. Driven as slow as the BRZ will be, a WRX would be closer to 8 than 10.

And the Golf R could be $20k, I still wouldn't want one.

There is no way u could get less then 10 without just leaving it in your driveway.

10 is from factory and we all know to get the same number from the factory u need to be going down hill trip all the way.

[colster]

I have been interested in the 86 since the first concept and the rumors of a 35-40k price tag. Was very keen to purchase one. However after seeing the final production version I am very disappointed. The styling has been toned down a lot IMO so its no longer that aggressive/menancing looking. The worst part are the specifications though, N/A with only 147kw of power and 205nm torque? No factory option of a turbo kit? Are you kidding me?

I think that's pathetic. I knew the base model would be N/A but thought they would at least offer a turbo-charged model for some extra cash. Then the double-whammy comes along with the BRZ not being turbo-charged either so even if you do like the styling of the car you are going to be screwed over if you want any real sports-car power because you'll have to modify it and void your warranty... making it a pointless endeavour to buy either the 86 or BRZ brand new (unless you have the money to throw away).

I'm sure they will be great enthusiast cars with a good community and lots of aftermarket parts, but I couldn't justify buying one brand new knowing I'd have to void the warranty if I wanted to have any real fun. I think they have made a serious mistake not offering a turbo charged model, it would have raised the reputation of the car and would have increased sales because it would be a popular option (for the market they are targeting) and because people would be able to live with it like that for a year or so under warranty before modifying it.

I'd wait another year or so to get one on the second hand market (at a more realistic price)... but then I might as well just get a second hand wrx/sti. I would list a toyota equivalent but they don't have one... long gone are the days of toyota making great sports cars like the supra! I was hoping the 86 would be a return to their former glory but they missed the bar and fell flat on their face.

So I am one customer that toyota/subura have lost by toning down the production model and poor marketing.

[Nardi330]

Originally Posted by colster

So I am one customer that toyota/subura have lost by toning down the production model and poor marketing.

Toned down yes but poor marketing? Please explain!

[70NYD]

It's not toned down at all. You colesterol, clearly don't know how concepts work... This is actually a very close to concept production model, so they did very good
And your jus a troll, so, honestly, I don't think anyone cares if you don't get it
This isn't a power monster like a gtr (well you have the gtst, so not even close to a gtr apart from the shape) but that's not the point of this car..

[tlp]

Originally Posted by Nardi330

Toned down yes but poor marketing? Please explain!

We haven't seen this much hype from any car in the last decade or so. The amount of aftermarket development that is taking place by tuning companies is a testament to Toyota's marketing campaign.

[colster]

Probably wasn't the best choise of words! I didn't mean poor marketing in terms of getting the word out about this car... they have done a great job of that. I was more referring to their marketing hyping the fact about bringing back the fun/excitement of sports cars and targeting a younger audience of car enthusiasts and then when the production version comes along it has what I would call average sports car performance (sounds like it has great handling though from initial reviews). It's going to be the aftermarket that brings the fun and excitement.

So I think it is poor marketing from that point of view because they've targeted enthusiasts but only given them an very average base model to start from with no options for potential buyers to increase the performance when they buy from a dealership. I wouldn't be complaining if the price was lower (e.g. $30k + ORC), but as already mentioned most enthusiasts have plenty of other options to choose from in our market for around the price they are aiming for ($35-$40k). I understand they've set the price to what they can get away with here in Australia, by no means am I whinging about why other markets get it cheaper.

And lol 70NYD sounds like you're trolling with implying I think driving a GTS-T is like driving a GTR. I know there is a big difference, I'm not one of those idiots who bolt a lot of mods on and slap on a GTR badge :p When I bought my car many years ago I only had a $15k budget. I actually wanted a supra mk3 (the late 2.5L twin turbo model) but there weren't that many for sale around Perth at the time and the ones I looked at all had too many problems (bad owners!) so I ended up getting a skyline GTS-T instead.

I was never expecting the base model (N/A) to be boasting huge power figures, but the torque could have been a bit higher. I was hoping they were going to offer a turbo-charged model to appeal to those of us who do want more power (without resorting to aftermarket mods after driving out the dealership). Again I wouldn't expect anything near a GTR with a turbocharged model, but something to help it get down the straights faster. I'm sure others here were hoping for a turbo charged model too.

Anyway I do know how concepts work, make a pretty design and then butcher it to keep production costs low and chuck on some stuff from the parts bin. I do admit they have done a good job with the conversion from concept to production, but there are details I feel could be better (such as the rear brake lights, rear diffuser, etc). No doubt some great looking body kits will come out to make it look more aggressive, but like I said originally this is another reason to wait to buy one from the second hand market.

I still like the 86/brz and understand why people are excited about them. I wouldn't be able to justify to myself buying them brand new (which I was keen to do), knowing that most of it's appeal is the aftermarket possibilities that will void the warranty. I'd get too bored driving one in it's stock form just to keep the warranty. A turbo charged model would have changed my mind about that though.

[Slide]

Yes some of us did hope that trd rumor about a supercharger were true

[70NYD]

Nah I'm not trolling, iv just heard so much crap like your 1st post that I just write off strait away. Better choice of words this time around. I actually wrote gtr before I realized you had a skyline, then I edited. I was just using one of the greatest cars of all time as a comparison. Torque doesn't have to be great, and neither does the power if the car is light enough. But they WILL offer FI, just not straight up. I think Toyota will go SC and Subaru TC.
The price of this was the whole reason why I started this thread. If its too much, I'd defeats the purpose of it, who would do any modifications straigt up??

[Lobo]

I would have loved to have seen the BRZ/86 have a turbo'd engine. It would have made this car a 100% no questions asked buy for me, even if it was $49,999

However I am not totally disheartened by the NA engine. While a standard 2L NA subie boxer engine is pretty lacklustre, with Toyota's D4-S system it is putting out respectable power and should be fairly responsive.

Remember, this car has more power than the original AE86, a Lotus Elise/Exige, an MX-5 and others, yet all those cars were very much loved for their 'fun factor'

So the power isn't really an issue for me. As long as it's less than $39,999 Drive Away, it will be my next car.

[Varvs]

NA 150KW is very different to turbo 150KW.

just wait a year for the turbo model? even if you cant im sure youll get decent trade in on an NA 86 when they do...

[JDM-20L]