2014 Nissan 370Z

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

lol love how you criticize others for pick and choosing their agurements yet you are clearly doing the same

Awesome you know of owners that do that and love it.

I know of some and thats not the case but not only that but here is 106 pages of people with tranny issues

http://www.gencoupe.com/engine/23124...issues-77.html

I just stopped at page 77 LOL

Hell even the autos are slipping and thats the brand new 2013

http://www.gencoupe.com/3-8-v6-discu...corporate.html

According to their own forums about 50% have issues on their 2013 car (with the brand new revised MT)

http://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t-discuss...es-anyone.html

If you look at their engine tech forum 25% of it is tranmission issues

EDIT: Don't get me wrong I actually like the Gen. If it looked like the last gen with tthis current gen engine I might not be in a 86. Hunydai can't make a transmission tho they are still too new to it. Had they just bought them instead I'm sure the GC would of been much much better car.

It's funny how the manual is a huge letdown yet there are owners who found ways around it and like it. Some people still drive 2010-12 manuals on the gencoupes. Do you even frequently read on that site? I remember when all of those guys was complaining yet some of them found ways around it. I also hear people on FT86 talking about the clutch and the 4-5 gear grind just like I've been hearing on GC.com. Its obviously worst on the GC but nowadays I hear negative stuff from just about every car with a manual that isn't a BMW or Porsche. But me personally I would rather have a 370Z over the GC simply because Hyundai needs more time to get it right. However I drove a 2010 GC 3.8 Track with the ZF 6 speed auto and loved it. The new 8 speed auto from Hyundai is trash I know..lol


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42332

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Its obviously worst on the GC but nowadays I hear negative stuff from just about every car with a manual that isn't a BMW or Porsche.

Porsches aren't immune to it either - I've heard the manual on the Cayman (which is cable-linked, since the transaxle is in the rear) described as feeling more like it is linked with a bungee cord than a cable (and I can't disagree that much - it's really nice and smooth, but the gates are a bit vague sometimes). Basically, just about no car is going to be perfect in that regard...

[neurokinetik]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

The 86 has both an aluminum hood and trunk.

Just to correct this. The trunk is not aluminum. I know this because I stick my magnetic numbers on the trunk when driving to/from events.

[thill]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Well I know of GC owners who changed the tranny fluid and they loved it. I also see the same thing in this forum.

The Gencoupe manual, even on the 13's which has an improved transmission was one of the biggest negatives about the car. And I am not talking about grinding and slipping, I am talking about vagueness and how long some of the throws are. 6th gear feels a mile away. There is no contest, the FRS tranny is 10 times better in every way.

Hyundai really needs to address their manual tranny in he next car. Just throw an Asin in it. And I do think Hyundai will address it, they don't like standing still.

[clayrush]

I cant believe the z vs frs/brz is still goin on.
all I know is that my pops 370 gives my girls frs a beating in everything we have done. That being said he has the sport package, it costs more feels a bit more numb and I feel like I have blinders on when I am in it. But shit some people don't care how numb it feels if it goes where you want it.
I watched a review a while back (possibly one of the reviews here) where the guy said it felt like the motor was not happy at it's limit or was not responsive or was a bit Weezy. But after a tune/reflash it a hell of alot better. Throttle response is much better and the motor loves red line. N/A mods have cost just about the same we have spent on the frs with a much bigger power gain. Even considering the weight difference. F/I may cost more for the z, but the gains seem to be a lot more as well.
it is hard for me to really pic though. I love both.

[Stealthx]

You have to be have owned both and be an enthusiast to see the differences. My BRZ feels great, one of the best steering inputs out there. I only rate it better then my 370z because of weight. That being said, my 370 drives practically the same. It's precise. Period. It's faster and goes around the track quicker. Now, talk about numb feeling cars, drive an Evo X. Is weight, electronics, height play into all that. But it's faster then all of those. It's great on the edge riding the line but its mushy and heavy and like I said very tall. Completely different experience. In short, these debates are pointless 90% of the time People are computer seat racing, comparing numbers blah blah blah. Hey your entitled to opinion. But yours count to a small percentage of people who actually drive/drove the two cars. And not just a quick once around the dealer lot or block. On track, they are very good. One is lighter and way less power. The other is heavier and a lot more power. Both chassis are great.

[Stealthx]

Originally Posted by clayrush

I cant believe the z vs frs/brz is still goin on.
all I know is that my pops 370 gives my girls frs a beating in everything we have done. That being said he has the sport package, it costs more feels a bit more numb and I feel like I have blinders on when I am in it. But shit some people don't care how numb it feels if it goes where you want it.
I watched a review a while back (possibly one of the reviews here) where the guy said it felt like the motor was not happy at it's limit or was not responsive or was a bit Weezy. But after a tune/reflash it a hell of alot better. Throttle response is much better and the motor loves red line. N/A mods have cost just about the same we have spent on the frs with a much bigger power gain. Even considering the weight difference. F/I may cost more for the z, but the gains seem to be a lot more as well.
it is hard for me to really pic though. I love both.

If you track a lot and sty N/A its hard to compare the, when you'll end up more into a BRZfor mods to make faster and brakes. But cheaper tires and consumables. Mod to mod the Z will have given its tail lights to a FRS/BRZ. It's solely your choice. Mine would be a white 2014 Nismo. They look sexy as hell.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Stealthx

If you track a lot and sty N/A its hard to compare the, when you'll end up more into a BRZfor mods to make faster and brakes. But cheaper tires and consumables. Mod to mod the Z will have given its tail lights to a FRS/BRZ. It's solely your choice. Mine would be a white 2014 Nismo. They look sexy as hell.

Yes! every time I see a new 370 in white, I just love the car in that color. Looks so good on the car.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Stealthx

If you track a lot and sty N/A its hard to compare the, when you'll end up more into a BRZfor mods to make faster and brakes. But cheaper tires and consumables. Mod to mod the Z will have given its tail lights to a FRS/BRZ. It's solely your choice. Mine would be a white 2014 Nismo. They look sexy as hell.

Wouldn't a Twin with $5k in mods be pretty damn good? I mean, that would make it roughly the same price as the Z.

Both are good cars and I can't fault anyone for getting either. I like the practicality, light weight and mileage of the twins for being a daily driver though.

[campy]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Wouldn't a Twin with $5k in mods be pretty damn good? I mean, that would make it roughly the same price as the Z.

Both are good cars and I can't fault anyone for getting either. I like the practicality, light weight and mileage of the twins for being a daily driver though.

$5k can buy you a turbo kit, coilovers, and a new set of tires. The Nismo version is $42k. I can't even imagine a mod list for the frs/brz that would cost $17k.

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by campy

$5k can buy you a turbo kit, coilovers, and a new set of tires. The Nismo version is $42k. I can't even imagine a mod list for the frs/brz that would cost $17k.

Do it right or leave it alone. A quality set of performance coilovers is going to run 2000+ installed. There's no reason to get that suspension without wider wheels and stickier tires. RPF1s and Pilot Super Sports will probably cost another 2000 installed for a not-especially-wide set. Then a turbo with 1k left? I don't think so. You're looking at 5700 for an AVO kit, which I believe is the least expensive available. Course if you put a turbo on, you need an exhaust. That's another 1000 easily. Now your car needs to brake better because if you track it, you will fry the brakes, even with upgraded pads. There's another 5000 easily for front and rears, but don't forget to add ducting. Now your engine is overheating, so add an oil cooler for 800. You want to use the turbo system to its maximum potential, so add another 1000 for fuel system upgrades and another 500+ for tuning. You still can't dial in the camber how you want so it's time for new suspension goodies to hook up to those coilovers. Now your clutch is burnt so you need a new one. Now you feel chassis flex so add some braces. Now your engine and transmission are destroying their stock mounts. Brakes are still soft so add some stainless lines. Hitting 400HP now. Better replace the rear differential soon with something beefier. a new driveshaft and beefed up rear end is called for now, especially if you're tracking. Otherwise you're going to spend a lot of time in the shop getting things replaced. Did I mention that the car looks almost completely stock? Still have that crap stereo too. You're going so fast, you want to be held in the seat on corners. Time for a belt upgrade. That means you need a seat upgrade. That means you need a roll cage and neck brace device.

Now you are done! And you cannot drive your car on the streets nor stick the kids in the back.

[Kostamojen]

That's quite a bit overboard...

Turbo kit is overkill too IMO. Exhaust/intake/tune if anything, that gets you up to ~250hp which is plenty.

Suspension wise just sticky tires on the stock rims are good, or slightly wider/lighter wheels and tires for another grand on top of that.

Brakes just need pads and lines and fluid. Maybe some OEM Subaru 4-pots. Anything more is overkill on a 200hp 2700lbs Subaru (I know this from experience).

I'm sure just those couple things will allow you to keep up just fine with a 370z and not spend nearly as much.

[Sonolin]

Aside from whether or not BRZ can beat a 370z for nismo price (I'd put money on the brz assuming the driver is competent, assuming 42k including car), 370z nismo is way overpriced IMO.

You can almost get a corvette for that price. Or just a mustang gt + track pack, which slays the 370z on most tracks.

I think they need to put the Z on a diet. Hoping they do with the next generation Z at least - I've heard hints of it, but nothing concrete yet. Until then, there's plenty of other cars I'd (personally) choose for the money, if we're talking about a track car.

I'd much rather see a BRZ STI with some track upgrades, though - even if it doesn't have much more power, coilovers, brakes, tires + other sti bits would be really nice from the factory.

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

That's quite a bit overboard...

Turbo kit is overkill too IMO. Exhaust/intake/tune if anything, that gets you up to ~250hp which is plenty.

I don't know what E/I/T even with a full exhuast, your looking at to give 250hp.. Even on E85 people with all that are around 200-205.. Unless your talking about fly wheel hp... And then no.. Not even close.. I. Putting 175 at the wheel and it's still dirt slow.. 25 more hp at the wheels is not enough.. 250 at the wheels might be enough, I've heard a lot of tuners say 300 is perfect.. Idk I've never been in a high hp or boosted 86 yet