2014 Nissan 370Z

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

Did you even watch the video? He described the 370Z engine's character as one similar to that of a school bus

And I don't see how that review establishes any sort of point. While it might be fine when driven in isolation, when compared back to back with the 86, the 370Z gets thrashed hard.

And don't forget that Pobst LOVES the 86 too. Gushes far more about it than he ever the 370.

Here is another stellar 370Z review...




0 for 2 vs the 86!

Instead of showcasing how overpriced the 86 is, you've validated that it is a bargain compared to the 370Z. The 86 is a better car for less money.

And even with a $3k price drop, Nissan will still struggle to find a market for them. On the other hand, Toyota and Subaru have a tough time with supplying inventory and sell everything they get.

I guess you failed to see in the video where he said the Z was the most composed handling car in the whole test. It was the only car he felt the most confidence in and that test included a Porsche Cayman S. In other words it sounded like it was more or less a more powerful FRS to him with a bus-like engine sound. I love how you pick and choose stuff. That's why I love FT86.com.


http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature...Cayman_S.shtml

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...mparison-tests

[thill]

When the 370z first came out, most people gushed over it the same way they gushed over the FT86 platform. The FT86 is just a newer platform. In a few years the reviewers will be gushing about the "next big thing".

They are just different cars that approach being a sports car in different ways. Some people want more power and there is nothing wrong with that. But you do give up some of the handling dynamics in the FT86 platform for it.

I would prefer to drive a 370z vs any of the American muscle cars anyday.

[thill]

Originally Posted by howardf

I test drove both of these cars back to back, the dealerships are right next door to each other. I honestly preferred the Z because I wanted a sports car, and that thing has an amazing amount of power. So fast it scared the shit out of my daughter during the test drive. I did find that the FR-S had better handling and a smoother ride. I was more comfortable in the Z, but that's only because of the snug seats in the FR-S. Visibility in the Z was AWFUL.

I sat down and thought about all of the things I'd want to do to both cars, and the cost of fixing up the Z was a lot higher than the FR-S. I went in armed with a ton of facts about the Z that tipped the scales in my favor (lower price next year, rapidly declining sales) but they wouldn't budge off of their first offer of invoice pricing. It was going to be $100 more a month, and I didn't want to spend it, especially considering the cost of modifying. That was with 0% on the Z and 2.9% on the FR-S.

I'm still very happy with my purchase, but I'll feel a lot better once the chirping issue is resolved and I can get a turbo installed.

Seems like an honest assessment.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Jawnathin

That's hilarious. Because he didn't say that at all, you're putting words in his mouth. He said he was confident drifting it further out in the track, an extension of what he was mentioning earlier about the car's tendency to drift. Not that it was the most confident to go fast in or to drive or better than the Cayman S. You're just being delusional, only reading what you want to read.

Since you brought up the Cayman S, as a matter of fact if you look up the exact competition in which these two were compared, MT's 2009 best Driver's Car, the Nismo 370Z was 7th place, the Cayman S was 1st place.

I love how you pick and choose stuff and then the stuff you've picked is misunderstood!

Though, look on the bright side, 7th out of 10 ain't bad. At least they thought it drove better than a 4400lb Jaguar sedan . That would have been embarrassing!

The FRS is known for its balance drifts with the stock tires. Most reviewers have said the same thing. They love the ability to push it 10/10ths and Randy Pobst pretty much sum it up with the Nismo 370Z in that video. He even mentioned the word "Racecar" and being confident in actually drifting the car to the edge. That sounds awfully familiar wouldn't ya say? He also never said anything about major understeer like some reviewers have mentioned. The guy said the car was fabulous minus the engine sound and you make it sound like he thrashed the whole car.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by thill

When the 370z first came out, most people gushed over it the same way they gushed over the FT86 platform. The FT86 is just a newer platform. In a few years the reviewers will be gushing about the "next big thing".

They are just different cars that approach being a sports car in different ways. Some people want more power and there is nothing wrong with that. But you do give up some of the handling dynamics in the FT86 platform for it.

I would prefer to drive a 370z vs any of the American muscle cars anyday.

Thank you!!! I remember the 370Z beating a ton of cars for 3 years straight when it came out. The FRS is on a high horse for now. I wanna see what they say in 4-5 years.

[tennisfreak]

If the rumors of the 2015 Mustang losing a minimum of 400lbs then I think both the 86 and the 370z should be worried.

There are also rumor of it getting a 300hp ecoboost 4 cyl and a eco boost v6.

If it can touch 3000lbs with 300hp and add in the independent rear suspension Ford may have a real winner on its hands.

[SUB-FT86]

I hope Hyundai and Nissan can drop 350 lbs from the GC and the Z. I feel that's the only "REAL" negatives with those cars. All the other small negatives is easy.

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I hope Hyundai and Nissan can drop 350 lbs from the GC and the Z. I feel that's the only "REAL" negatives with those cars. All the other small negatives is easy.

In my opinion the Hyundai needs to drop 500lbs minimum.
The curb weight for the 3.8 MT is 3563 and the AT is 3613. Wowza that is heavy!

You make some small mods to the 86 and you can have her dip under 2700lbs. That puts the current Hyundai close to 1k heavier than the twins.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

In my opinion the Hyundai needs to drop 500lbs minimum.
The curb weight for the 3.8 MT is 3563 and the AT is 3613. Wowza that is heavy!

You make some small mods to the 86 and you can have her dip under 2700lbs. That puts the current Hyundai close to 1k heavier than the twins.

True. But I was thinking more along the lines of the 2.0t that weighs 3350lbs base. The V6 needs to lose 500 lbs for sure. The 370Z is really only 275 lbs overweight. I would like it at 3000 lbs with 300hp/270~295tq for 30k msrp base.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The 370Z is really only 275 lbs overweight. I would like it at 3000 lbs with 300hp/270~295tq for 30k msrp base.

So basically, you'd like a Cayman S for half the price of a Cayman S.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by chrisl

So basically, you'd like a Cayman S for half the price of a Cayman S.

EXACTLY!!!

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I hope Hyundai and Nissan can drop 350 lbs from the GC and the Z. I feel that's the only "REAL" negatives with those cars. All the other small negatives is easy.

I wouldn't call a terrible MT transmission a small negative in a sports car

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

I wouldn't call a terrible MT transmission a small negative in a sports car

Well I know of GC owners who changed the tranny fluid and they loved it. I also see the same thing in this forum.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Well I know of GC owners who changed the tranny fluid and they loved it. I also see the same thing in this forum.

lol love how you criticize others for pick and choosing their agurements yet you are clearly doing the same

Awesome you know of owners that do that and love it.

I know of some and thats not the case but not only that but here is 106 pages of people with tranny issues

http://www.gencoupe.com/engine/23124...issues-77.html

I just stopped at page 77 LOL

Hell even the autos are slipping and thats the brand new 2013

http://www.gencoupe.com/3-8-v6-discu...corporate.html

According to their own forums about 50% have issues on their 2013 car (with the brand new revised MT)

http://www.gencoupe.com/2-0t-discuss...es-anyone.html

If you look at their engine tech forum 25% of it is tranmission issues

EDIT: Don't get me wrong I actually like the Gen. If it looked like the last gen with tthis current gen engine I might not be in a 86. Hunydai can't make a transmission tho they are still too new to it. Had they just bought them instead I'm sure the GC would of been much much better car.