This car is NOT a Ferrari... (FR-S/BRZ burning up on side of road)

[suaveflooder]

Such a crappy situation. I hope all works out for the owner

[Stephens]

I don't believe that part that the adjuster said it was an oem part. That's not something an adjuster would say. Also, in this case it can't really be proven by an insurance company. Not with that much fire damage. Finding the start of the fire is impossible.

With that being said, they probably will or already have paid out because they also wouldn't be able to prove an aftermarket part caused the incident.

In insurance we have a saying, if it's gray we pay.

[Sbeezy]

Originally Posted by @Art_Mighty

There's some VERY interesting information about the BRZ06 imbedded into that gtrlife thread...(hint, hint...)

This. If true I think thats BS... but let me not say too much before I get banned too!

[regal]

The fuel pressure after the HPFP is around 10 times that of a normal EFI car. I wouldn't trust any after market clamp on any hose or line post HPFP. Direct Injection can be very dangerous, I have seen leaks at these pressures so small that they are invisible yet spewing gas in a highly combustible state.

Its like the old trick where a guy puts out his cigarette in a jar of gas, no fire. I've seen leaks on EFI that would scare anyone that were obviously there for months or years without a fire. But direct injection is an entirely different animal.

If you ever have to work on it yourself don't deviate from the factory service manual, if it says replace 10 seals and fittings, do it. Don't believe anything you read on internet forums that say otherwise.

A modification of the fuel supply post HPFP is risky. The right way to develop any modifications like these would be to dye your gas tank with UV dye. Run the engine in the dark and inspect with a good UV light. Do this more than once over the course of several weeks. Toyota/Subaru probably ran tests like this for 100k miles, checking every 1k when developing the DI system.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by regal

The fuel pressure after the HPFP is around 10 times that of a normal EFI car. I wouldn't trust any after market clamp on any hose or line post HPFP...

It my understanding that the functional pressure of the DI system installed on the FA20 is 1600psi. I'll see if I can find a source and confirm...

[Gixxersixxerman]

Originally Posted by Sbeezy

This. If true I think thats BS... but let me not say too much before I get banned too!

I don't believe for a sec that happened.. There has to be more then that, we have more then one person building LSxx power 86's... Because it's not true to the spirt of the platform?? Really??? And rally racing the car, or stancing until the wheels are damn near horizontal is lol.. The car is that specific persons and he can choose to do with it as he pleases, and we have a lot on here that do, I've seen a couple 20" rim on the 86.. So I don't believe they just said hey because your putting a LS engine in your 86 your banned

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

Subaru now has the car and is investigating the situation.

OP/JV is royally F'ed. No way in hell that Subaru won't find the remains of aftermarket fueling. All they have to do is check the fuel tank and find E85. Given that they read the forums....

[Stephens]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

OP/JV is royally F'ed. No way in hell that Subaru won't find the remains of aftermarket fueling. All they have to do is check the fuel tank and find E85. Given that they read the forums....

It won't matter what Subaru finds. They probably have the car to try and make sure it isn't something that will become a problem with the current models.

If it were something that is oem related and Subaru finds definitive evidence then they would be responsible for paying the insurance back given that they paid the claim.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Stephens

It won't matter what Subaru finds.

If the insurance already paid - then probably not, which I understand is not the case. Subaru will investigate and say it was non-OEM fuel and (if they find it) aftermarket fueling. After that insurance is free to show the policyholder the finger.

[Stephens]

No they are not. That's simply not how it works.

It doesn't matter if the car had A/M parts. It has to be proven they caused the fire. That can't be proven in this case. If the insurance company denies on something that wasn't solidly proven they can be sued for what's called bad faith. Now the aftermarket parts themselves will not be covered without additional coverage, but the car should be unless someone is able to show legitimate evidence that an aftermarket part caused the damages.

I deal with claims all day everyday and hold am adjusters license in 16 states. Everything should be fine for the OP.

[coyote]

And that's the reason fire claims are often suspicious.


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[Stephens]

Originally Posted by coyote

And that's the reason fire claims are often suspicious.


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Indeed. They are always investigated more regardless.

[@Art_Mighty]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

JV response on the GTR forum

"I apologize for not posting sooner but I was trying to hold out until I had something more official to report, unfortunately there’s nothing official yet.

So let me start off by saying I feel horrible about this incident and I apologize that the customer came away feeling that I was not supportive of his situation. That was certainly not my intent. And although the insurance adjuster has mentioned on more than one occasion that the fire was caused by an OEM part, we still don't have the official report yet and regardless, I know that receiving insurance compensation does not make up for the devastating feeling the customer felt at losing his car. In addition to the insurance investigation, Subaru now has the car and is investigating the situation. I am looking forward to their results and will definitely share that information when it becomes available."

John


As far as I know, he better hope the insurance claims OEM fault.. Because if they didn't, the insurance can deny that claim if they choose, unless the owner had extra coverage for aftermarket parts...

The fact that Visconti would post an answer to the GTR community but avoid sending the same message to us explaining his side of the this deliciously entertaining "I'm tuning a BRZ with my E85 kit and it burst into flames with me in it"-fiasco, speaks volumes...

(Disclaimer: I personally like the guy, he's been responsive to me in the past and for some amazing reason I would *STILL* consider his products and services)

This silence does you disservice John, man-up and talk to us.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Stephens

able to show legitimate evidence that an aftermarket part caused the damages.

Worm-gear clamp on HP fuel line?