SUBARU BRZ FIRE

[ildylan]

I'm sure there are a good portion of folks who are on the bandwagon, but there are just as many who are aware (perhaps first hand) of the skeletons in John's closet.

Shops usually just exercise professional courtesy and don't start talking about it publicly when issues arise.

All tuners (good ones) have blown up cars, usually it is just at the beginning of their career, and not after they have proclaimed themselves master tuners. Ahh, actually you get that title just for buying 10+ kits --- good qualification program EcuTek.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Toma

Cool

Which owners have leaks? Links?
upgrades to kits are common, parts suppliers change, cleaner more elegant solutions become avaialble. Are you suggesting this is any way admitting a "leak" problem? Links to documented leaky vehicles?

Does your kit leak? Or are you passing on hearsay?

Go and read the FF Kit sale thread and the Vendor feedback sections, its all there.

Parts change, yes I agree 1000%

One more time, when you are providing a newer part because the original one LEAKS FUEL, which is a safety concern and can set a car on fire, the least the vendor can do is provide a free fix, not charge for the upgrade.

Now go and read, there are detailed explanations on the leaks.

[Frs300]

they have ADMITTED to a problem by providing a fix. if no problem existed then no need for a fix.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Toma

Cool

Which owners have leaks? Links?
upgrades to kits are common, parts suppliers change, cleaner more elegant solutions become avaialble. Are you suggesting this is any way admitting a "leak" problem? Links to documented leaky vehicles?

Does your kit leak? Or are you passing on hearsay?

Effing troll, go read the topics on the issue. At least this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43656 and this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...=35787&page=12

[Toma]

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

So you apparently think that vendor's fee buys you a right to be a **** to customers and moderator protection from people voicing opinions? Where the hell is this dude and why did he stay quiet on the issue for weeks now?

This is exactly why I think the current forum model where most of the money for servers comes from vendors selling junk is badly broken.

Well, as much as the COMMUNITY makes a forum, the income or costs are not communally distributed. Seems American's take issue with anything communal That's a joke BTW.

Someone has to foot the bills

It's the same with magazines. The cover price doesn't even cover costs, it's advertising, and why many articles are Vendor biased.

[Toma]

Fuck, I don't wanna read 100 pages.

HOW MANY KITS LEAKED? God. Easy question for you guys that followed the issue so closely.

AND this current FIRE. Did it have the upgraded kit?

[mrk1]

It seems to me there are two discussions going on here. People pissed about a leaky fuel kit, and people concerned for the OP losing his car to a fire. Both very important and relevant topics but as of right now there is no evidence to link them other then suspicion. Just like the world being flat.

One somewhat relevant comment that I can ad is that I run a manufacturing business and I remember when I applied for my insurance the insurance company asked me for examples and proof of how I would handle a product recall. They would not issue me insurance unless they were satisfied at how I kept track of who bought what and how they would be contacted in case of a problem.

[lexusb3]

This is the thread of the year. I dont think anyone will forget!

[chadstyle]

OP.. I am so sorry man..that hurts to see. I would be totally heartbroken to get that call and then see the car. What a total bummer. Hope you get everything worked out and you don't take a major hit financially or on your insurance.

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by Toma

Someone has to foot the bills

There are forums with paid memberships. But I wouldn't buy a supporting membership for a forum which feels largely owned by aftermarket vendors.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Toma

Fuck, I don't wanna read 100 pages.

HOW MANY KITS LEAKED? God. Easy question for you guys that followed the issue so closely.

If you dont want to read and educate yourself, dont come here trolling.

Dont want to read it, then dont question the facts I've written.

No one read it for me and gave me a summary, I read it all.

As easy as readying the last couple of pages but trollers are lazy like that.

[enouf]

@BRZtubro, my deepest sympathy for your loss. Hopefully there's a favourable outcome to the investigation.
@Toma, for your information there are 8 people that have spoken up about the fuel leak on the FF kit. 1 of the 8 had recurring fuel smell which was taken care of by double clamping the incorrectly sized hose. There could be others that have not been documented.

While I agree finger pointing without concrete proof is a futile gesture, nobody should deny the absolute clusterfuck John & Rich have done with the FF kit to date. If you haven't already, just take a look through my posts for all the heated exchanges I've had with them.

John and Rich still vehemently deny that their kit is anything but safe. I've been reasonable from the start (safety upgrades/improvements to the kit that will make it sell better in the future should be free of charge to the guinea pigs i.e. the first adopters of the FF kit) but after numerous brush offs and now stonewalling, I'll do everything I can to let others know never do business with them.

[Toma]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

If you dont want to read and educate yourself, dont come here trolling.

Dont want to read it, then dont question the facts I've written.

No one read it for me and gave me a summary, I read it all.

As easy as readying the last couple of pages but trollers are lazy like that.

You have written no facts, nor presented any evidence. You have presented arguments, based on various premises, and so far they are looking faulty.

I wasted my time, read one of the links, and the one guy that was worried about the wrong size hose being supplied, and clearly stated he was a NON US Customer, and had different factory lines.

How much more do I have to read to find HOW MANY KITS ACTUALLY LEAKED?

Why is that so hard for a guy spouting "facts"?

[8ight_6ix]

Originally Posted by monkeedoo

sounds like dude is a real douche, you should go after him in court

I agree 100%. Take his ass to court then f$%& em hard legally.

All the best and i hope everything works out for you and the vendor gets what he deserves.