This car is NOT a Ferrari... (FR-S/BRZ burning up on side of road)

[SkullWorks]

now that you guys have drug this thread miles from the subject, for no reason whatsoever...thanks btw


I would like to know who was monkeying with the lines underhood and why?

The "mechanical pump" is electron beam welded EVERYWHERE, it does not and cannot leak externally except at the connections to the fuel lines...surely even JV could determine that.

I'm all for calling out tuners for bad practice/lack of knowledge/general inept-ness...
but I can't draw a line between a flex fuel kit and a car fire...unless some real serious stupid happened...

FF senders are usually installed in the return line of a fuel system so that you can be assured that what is in the fuel rail is the same as what you are measuring with as little data delay as possible, we have a "returnless" system meaning the Fuel Pressure Regulator is in the tank, therefor not a good place to represent the fuel rail's fuel load.

is JV relocating the Pressure regulator to the engine bay? that would seem to be a requirement for both proper functionality, and a great potential source of under hood fuel leak...if that conversion took place and was shaudy by design or installed by someone who lacked the basic knowledge to get the job done I could see it starting a fire...but I like to have a decent rock in my hand when I throw stones...pebbles just wont do....


any body got any input on this?

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

I've heard of people paying extra to get aftermarket parts covered. There are a many insurance companies to choose from. This guy chose badly then lied to cover his ass. Too bad for him. I'm not a fool. I'm also not a Mustang driver, so you can cut your flaming BS.

Not sure what mustang line means, so I'll let it slide.
Insurance 'covering' aftermarket parts thing is about you getting reimbursed for the value of aftermarket rims/audio equipment/radars and whatever else you might have bolted on to a car, that didn't cause it to catch fire. It will not cover the damage to your car if it makes it go up in flames. Now, insurance companies will likely still cover you if you bag your car and then spin out going over a speedbump and hit an old lady, but if the car catches fire due to non-OEM fueling system the chances are that your insurance won't pay for your car.

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by SkullWorks

now that you guys have drug this thread miles from the subject, for no reason whatsoever...thanks btw


I would like to know who was monkeying with the lines underhood and why?

The "mechanical pump" is electron beam welded EVERYWHERE, it does not and cannot leak externally except at the connections to the fuel lines...surely even JV could determine that.

I'm all for calling out tuners for bad practice/lack of knowledge/general inept-ness...
but I can't draw a line between a flex fuel kit and a car fire...unless some real serious stupid happened...

FF senders are usually installed in the return line of a fuel system so that you can be assured that what is in the fuel rail is the same as what you are measuring with as little data delay as possible, we have a "returnless" system meaning the Fuel Pressure Regulator is in the tank, therefor not a good place to represent the fuel rail's fuel load.

is JV relocating the Pressure regulator to the engine bay? that would seem to be a requirement for both proper functionality, and a great potential source of under hood fuel leak...if that conversion took place and was shaudy by design or installed by someone who lacked the basic knowledge to get the job done I could see it starting a fire...but I like to have a decent rock in my hand when I throw stones...pebbles just wont do....


any body got any input on this?

Read the DIY and be amazed

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40404

[thill]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Read the DIY and be amazed

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40404

There are people in that thread (I could not bear to read the whole thing) openly talking about fuel leaks and smelling gas..

Crazy...

I really hope nobody gets seriously hurt or killed from this mod.. The vendor still does not even offer an installation guide!

Nuts!!!

[dsgerbc]

Originally Posted by thill

T The vendor still does not even offer an installation guide!

If there was an official guide, they'd be much easier to sue. As is - they just sold those guys a bunch of random parts.

[SkullWorks]

interesting way to handle that I guess... pay someone else to do your write up then stiff your customers so you aren't to blame for the leaks allowed by the lack of engineering.


I haven't sen a factory install yet that had the sensor in a pressurized fuel line, not saying it won't work, just not the conclusion any OEMs (to my knowledge) have come to...

[EAGLE5]

So gracious of you. Coverage of aftermarket parts depends on your plan and carrier. As I understand it, you would have to contact them and ask for coverage, which you would probably pay for through a rider. As for coverage of problems caused by aftermarket parts, I'm not so sure. It probably depends on state laws. If you install a FRAM oil filter and it catches on fire, I don't think there will be problems getting coverage. Unless the policies specifically state there's no coverage, there's no reason to think you'd be screwed.

Originally Posted by dsgerbc

Not sure what mustang line means, so I'll let it slide.
Insurance 'covering' aftermarket parts thing is about you getting reimbursed for the value of aftermarket rims/audio equipment/radars and whatever else you might have bolted on to a car, that didn't cause it to catch fire. It will not cover the damage to your car if it makes it go up in flames. Now, insurance companies will likely still cover you if you bag your car and then spin out going over a speedbump and hit an old lady, but if the car catches fire due to non-OEM fueling system the chances are that your insurance won't pay for your car.

[headlikeahole]

Just so you know guys, for having participated in this thread, you can never own a Ferrari.

[OrangeJuleas]

Since I can see that most of you are in the US, let me say this:

You can get practically anything insured here. It just depends on how much you're willing to pay for it. You have to make it worth their while!

[Brzetto]

Originally Posted by Sketch575

Looks like the 1.21 gigawatts at 88mph was too much........

Christopher Lloyd wasn't driving either hence no time travel or magic ability to transform into a Klingon Bird of Prey.

[LavosTRD]

NEVER use a blade to cut a fuel hose off a line. Use the proper tools and get a hose hook. I can see clearly in this picture the scoring left on the hard line. In essence they have created a canyon in this sealing surface. I have personally seen fuel lines leak from this very scenario.

[enouf]

Originally Posted by LavosTRD

NEVER use a blade to cut a fuel hose off a line. Use the proper tools and get a hose hook. I can see clearly in this picture the scoring left on the hard line. In essence they have created a canyon in this sealing surface. I have personally seen fuel lines leak from this very scenario.

Now THIS is exactly what should be communicated from Visconti & Rich. But guess what? No instructions.

What's ironic is the car in this photo (either post_break or cobrabyte) didnt have (much) of a leak whereas even though I used a stanley blade to make small incisions before using a fish hook to tear the remaining rubber, I still ended up with a full on leak.

As a Toyota Master Tech @LavosTRD, how important is it to have a correctly sized hose (esp fuel injection) with the proper EFI clamp when changing out to an aftermarket set up?

[LavosTRD]

Get the proper sized hose, and use brand new factory clamps. There is a reason you don't see shitty screw down hose clamps from manufacturers anymore

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by draggin_az

The other tuner has a record (with me) of about a 5 day respond time. While waiting on my tune, I asked said tuner where it was and his response...."if you put in the request, it'll get done. please please please don't email me unless your car is on fire".

Kk! Now what?