Agency Power ?

[MattF]

Originally Posted by MattF

I dont get the tie to one company mentality. What does it matter if the header and the the rest of the exhaust are made by two different people. I would take a hand built header from the US over any mass produced header that is available right now it will cost you more upfront but be totally worth it. If you want to go cheap get a revworks header but p&l, fa20club, and jdl are in a different league.

not to beat a dead horse but if you want something from the same company P&L does offer an entire exhaust system. It is a good bit more then Agency power and you will have to wait awhile for the header to be hand built.

[the.big.kahoona]

Originally Posted by MattF

I dont get the tie to one company mentality. What does it matter if the header and the the rest of the exhaust are made by two different people. I would take a hand built header from the US over any mass produced header that is available right now it will cost you more upfront but be totally worth it. If you want to go cheap get a revworks header but p&l, fa20club, and jdl are in a different league.

Why would an American made header be any better than one made in Europe or Japan? Not all JDM & EDM exhausts are mass produced

[MattF]

Originally Posted by the.big.kahoona

Why would an American made header be any better than one made in Europe or Japan? Not all JDM & EDM exhausts are mass produced

I would prefer something that is handmade vs mass produced off some assembly line somewhere.. I also like to support companies that are in the good old USA as long as they are high quality. I would have no issue buying something that wasnt built in the USA such as the hks header but I feel for the price 1200 dollars you get a more bang for your buck with p&l, jdl, or fa20club. Look how awesome the cookie cutter mass produced headers like the borla and agency power are working out for people. One has warped flanges and the other makes no power gains.

[the.big.kahoona]

Originally Posted by MattF

I would prefer something that is handmade vs mass produced off some assembly line somewhere.. I also like to support companies that are in the good old USA as long as they are high quality. I would have no issue buying something that wasnt built in the USA such as the hks header but I feel for the price 1200 dollars you get a more bang for your buck with p&l, jdl, or fa20club. Look how awesome the cookie cutter mass produced headers like the borla and agency power are working out for people. One has warped flanges and the other makes no power gains.

You disregarded the 2nd part I mentioned: not all JDM & JDM exhausts are mass produced.

Regarding the rest of your argument, sure I guess I can understand you wanting to buy American if you're American. I'm not so I have no I have no preference there


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[MattF]

Originally Posted by the.big.kahoona

You disregarded the 2nd part I mentioned: not all JDM & JDM exhausts are mass produced.

Regarding the rest of your argument, sure I guess I can understand you wanting to buy American if you're American. I'm not so I have no I have no preference there


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I don't recall saying all jdm stuff is mass produced.. all the players I know of in the header game right now are jdl, revworks, hks, p&l, borla, agency power and currently a group by going on for a company called hot pipes.

I dont see where I once said all jdm is mass produced. However, they are grossley overpriced in the USA. So yes hks could be hand made..I don't believe they are.. so please tell me what headers that are currently available for the frs that are for sale on this forum that are hand made outside of the USA.

[the.big.kahoona]

Originally Posted by MattF

so please tell me what headers that are currently available for the frs that are for sale on this forum that are hand made outside of the USA.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31074

[loogs]

Thread jacked. please close as i have found my answers. thanks

[MattF]

Originally Posted by loogs

Thread jacked. please close as i have found my answers. thanks

So back on topic OP what did you decide to go with?

[loogs]

Originally Posted by MattF

So back on topic OP what did you decide to go with?

Definitely nothing AP. I'm gonna keep my Motiv OP and MXP FP. Gonna replace my MXP exhaust and gonna add a header. Most likely FA20. Want to get a really light exhaust, dual. I would do single if there was a rear diffuser that covered one of the holes

[Cross]

Originally Posted by FR-Sizzle

Avoid @vividracing and Agency power at all costs. There dyno threads are full of crap and they were called out multiple times and they avoided it by claiming something happened to the person posting on these forums.

Theyve changed posters like 5+ times to avoid answering the people calling them out on there false claims. For example lot of people were wondering if our cars could hit 200 whp with bolt ons I/H/E and they release there parts and had there dynos read 200 whp for the sake of sales. People called them out on it and they would say someone is sick or left the company to avoid answering such questions.

Owners of there parts had a dyno done on it and they werent even close to what the dyno's they provided us showed. There dynos showed a gain across the whole graph with like 11-12 WHP gained at the peak but when the customers dyno'd they only had like 3-4 whp gained at the peak only whereas the rest stayed the same as stock.

Theres also lots of people who posted problems with fitment of there exhausts or cracking and they didnt even give them a refund or anything. They basically told them tough luck. Not surprising coming from them as one poster even said in other forums its been proved that they make there parts in Taiwan or China for VERY CHEAP as someone who use to work for them exposed them with pictures of stuff like that. Your honestly better off buying Megan parts for this car for 1/4 the price. There quality is what you would expect from a company that makes knock offs for dirt cheap and try to pass them off as high end parts for the same price as other companies like Perrin. They were caught lying too about saying they make there parts here in the U.S. by the person posting when there site even says that they have them made over seas.

Avoid Vivid/AP at all costs. They are the same company and they are known to rip people off with parts that are crap. They are banned on most major Subaru forums. Why they havent on these forums after the whole dyno fiasco is beyond me.

As I sit here reading this I find myself asking why do I know this name... why do I think I have dealt with these guys before.... and it hits me the MR2! These guys are morons and so is the switching people constantly, last owner was an idiot, that person is no longer here blah blah blah.

I have posted it up on a few forums this was years ago but they obviously have not changed... what a surprise. They charged this poor guy a lot of money to do everything possible cheaply, wrong and half the time nothing at all. They had no clue what they were doing it was to funny.

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by MattF

I would prefer something that is handmade vs mass produced off some assembly line somewhere.. I also like to support companies that are in the good old USA as long as they are high quality. I would have no issue buying something that wasnt built in the USA such as the hks header but I feel for the price 1200 dollars you get a more bang for your buck with p&l, jdl, or fa20club. Look how awesome the cookie cutter mass produced headers like the borla and agency power are working out for people. One has warped flanges and the other makes no power gains.

Difference between Borla and Agency Power is that Borla actually stands behind its products. They have replaced headers that were faulty as they have a great warranty. Good luck getting shit from Agency Power. Theyll just tell you to fuck off or ignore you.

I remember there was a site dedicated to bad reviews of Agency Power & @vividracing and the owner of Vivid/AP tried to sue the owner of the site. The site was full of bad reviews taken from multiple message boards and testimonies of horrible service by them. The owner of AP/Vivid I believe sued him to take the site down for copyright or some crap regarding using there name in the domain or site.

There have been tons of unhappy customers on tons of forums where they were vendors at give them horrible reviews. It was proven that they would make there parts in Taiwan as an ex employee had pictures of there shipping/receiving logs/receipts. They made there parts for dirt cheap and make a huge profit on them.

I remember reading on NASIOC one time that they sold a Greddy product at one time. Then they ended up making a complete knock off of it and they removed the part and put there own up. One common thing is when you order from VividRacing is if you order anything from them that isnt Agency Power they wont get it to you for a LONG time. There have been tons of upset customers who have waited months to receive there parts and would need to do charge backs. This may not happen anymore but it happened a lot back then and wouldnt be surprised if they still do that now. I have no problem with companies who sell a product and order it for you from that company directly as thats what they do but they arent honest when it comes to a shipping date. They will charge you then send it out 2-3 months later AFTER you hound them about it, whereas other companies will tell you a time and send it by then. They carry plenty of Agency Power crap parts but only uninformed individuals buy there parts. Just google Agency Power vivid racing sucks and you will get plenty of google results of unhappy customers new and old.

Here are a couple of quotes taken from another board with a quick google search. Dont buy their crap of changing ownership. Because you still see horrible reviews from message board posts that were posted in the last 2-3 years. IMO they should of been banned after they made 3 HUGE threads of dyno's for there bolt ons and lying to the whole community to make some quick cash. A lot of people wasted there money because they didnt get banned for doing the same crap they did on other forums.

You can search them on here and also Nasioc as well as any other large Subaru board.

They have scammed many owners in the past. They have been banned from Nasioc as a vendor due to their practices.

I'm assuming they havent changed ownership or the new owner would almost have to create a new name for business sake.

They do knock off products from other companies. One that comes to mind is Kartboy's pitch stop mount which Big Al (another joke in the community) made famous with his "over priced kartboy" comment.

Vivid Racing / Nyx Racing = Agency Power

They're scammers

As 302 said, they ripoff companies who actually do R&D on products. They ripped off KB for their SS kit, and ripped off APS on their turbo inlet.

Don't buy any Agency Power product. They've been banned as vendors on every major Subaru site due to poor business practices.

As said, Vivid Racing (who own Nyx Racing and Agency Power) are con artists. They not only screw over other vendors, but they have gone out of their way to **** over many many customers. There is a 60 page thread on NASIOC by people who have been scammed by them. Parts stolen from cars at their shop. Entire cars "stolen" from their shop. Sending customers empty boxes instead of what they ordered. Refusing to refund bad labor and items that people order but they never send.

Avoid these a$$holes at all cost.

[IceFyre13th]

And yet I am very happy with mine, and I have had zero issues like some others may have had.........

[FR-Sizzle]

Originally Posted by IceFyre13th

And yet I am very happy with mine, and I have had zero issues like some others may have had.........

Like another poster has brought up. It always seems to be Arizona residents who say they have no problems with there exhausts. Yet Agency Power/Vivid are located in Arizona. So far from the threads criticizing Agency Power/Vivid the only supporters who pop up are people who live in Arizona. Both companies have a long history of crap service/scandalous business practices.

Almost every owner who has owned it has said it either drones, bad fitment, quality control issues and the ones who have dyno'd it have shown it not getting anything close to what they claimed there exhausts were advertised to get. Nowhere else but 3-4 whp only at the peak compared to the 10-12 they claimed throughout the whole dyno. Dont forget after that whole 3 threads of bullshit/fake dyno's they got there headers exposed for not getting any gains. All while charging what other reputable vendors who actually do R&D on there products. They should be selling there parts for what Megan sells theres for MUCH CHEAPER. Because like Megan they just copy other peoples work. All of this has been proved countless times on other forums and here and even other vendors like Nameless have called them out on it in the past.

[IceFyre13th]

Maybe the real culprit is not Vivid, but UPS or FedEx..................but in the past five vehicles they have helped me on I have never had an issue with them or the product they sell.