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[dsrttigr]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

I've never had bad luck. You just have to be smart. Come armed, public place, bring a friend. I would scope out the surroundings before showing up. In fact everyone that I met was a collector and knew what they were talking about.

You can also hit up the next gun shows and juat wear a sign with what you have. Sold one of my AR's pretty quick that way.

Just giving you some options to help fund your fi


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Thanks for the advice, I prefer to transfer through a FFL. If I have to I'll try back page or gun show. Depends on how much more torque dip I can take. Coming from an STi and a v8 it's right where I spend most my time in the rev range.... I have another AR15 I can't sell because it's part of my living trust. ATF registered short barrel rifle ;-)

[B.Rice85]

Just ran with a black subie on I-10 from 32nd st to casa blanca rd. Anyone here?

[4azcats]

Is the Sirvezas meeting a weekly event? When is the next meet?

4Azcats

[Pizzman]

Originally Posted by dsrttigr

Need some help funding parts and tuning. I'm auctioning off a few items to pay for catted headers, flex fuel kit, and dyno tune. I can't withdraw that much money because my fiance will find out. She won't notice if I sell some stuff though :-). Here is the links.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=357081521

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=357929379

I'm also selling a nice home defense shotgun for $1000.00 if anyone is interested.

Thank you,

Honestly, no offence, but shouldn't you have an open and honest talk with your future wife about your hobbies? What you own doesn't belong to her.....yet. Just sayin.

[dsrttigr]

Originally Posted by Pizzman

Honestly, no offence, but shouldn't you have an open and honest talk with your future wife about your hobbies? What you own doesn't belong to her.....yet. Just sayin.

Yea I know it's just that she will expect me to spend that much on her also lol. Just like any other woman, they're only happy when you spend money on them. That and I promised her I would start saving money better after buying the FRS.

[captain_jack]

Originally Posted by 4azcats

Is the Sirvezas meeting a weekly event? When is the next meet?

4Azcats

Yes I am trying to make it that way. Maybe eventually every 2 but yes every week I will be there regardless.

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[freerangebacon]

Originally Posted by SpyderMS

Welcome. What's your excuse for moving away from Washington?

Oh yes, we know all about you...

i go to school in avondale at uti so im down here for the new 72 weeks
what do you mean you know all about me ??

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by Pizzman

Here are a few I have put on my flickr. ore to come after I clean my room and make my bed.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/66367980@N04/

Originally Posted by Boblhead

So nothing fancy on my part i just took most of the pics threw them in lightroom and did a auto correct for like every pic. I did do a few pics a little overexposed with high clarity and saturation for a real glossy kind of effect, enjoy

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vk66wc16xxl3i9t/MwfyUt2j2T


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Awwww look how cute y'all look.

[freerangebacon]

Originally Posted by BugeyedWagon

Bump!

Hood struts may be sold to a new guy from Washington state. Bacon?

yes yes yes ill buy !!

[BugeyedWagon]

Originally Posted by freerangebacon

yes yes yes ill buy !!

When my Grimmspeed units come in, I'll let you know.

[Kst092]

Originally Posted by freerangebacon

hey everyone my name is maxx bacon. new to the arizona area. i was at the car meet last night in scottsdale
i drive a red 2013 frs with work emotion xd9s bronze in color!
new to the forum also.

Welcome to the group looking forward to meeting you!

[40flash]

Honestly I guys I make no claim to know anything about this subject and I'm certainly not claiming that one is better than another. I've been reading a bunch of threads on the subject and have merely succseeded in confusing myself all the more. I've learned a little but there is a lot more that I don't know than that which I do know.
That said, here is a snipet form one of the threads concerning ECU learning and the longevity of the state of your tune.

First is the question asked of Jack from Unichip followed by Jacks answer.

Question: @Unichip Jack

I've heard rumors that were confirmed in this MotoIQ article that even with an EcuTek tune the car would dial back the power significantly if it didn't like something about the fuel/conditions/phase of the moon.

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...strations.aspx

Would this be any different with the piggyback or would the car's ECU still be able to make such huge adjustments?

It may be that these adjustments are necessary, but I've heard of torque limiting ECUs on certain Lexuses that let you tune the engine but after a while it relearns itself back to practically stock power levels.

Jacks answer: SubieNate – thanks for the question… lots of guys ask the same thing. Unfortunately, the article doesn’t offer much insight… there’s no “mystery” involved.

There are several things happening, and while they all affect power they don’t really have much to do with each other. If you don’t understand them, you’ll end up chasing your tail and wasting your time.

The first is good ol’ science… physics, thermodynamics, and chemistry. You may not feel it, but it’s always happening and there’s nothing anybody can do about it.

For example, as Intake Air Temperature (IAT) increases, air density decreases which means on a hotter day there’s less air in the combustion chamber, which means less fuel is used to get the optimum AFR , which means less boom… etc…

Unfortunately, the article doesn’t address anything about conditions so there’s no way to know if that car actually gained or lost power. If the IAT temperature was higher when the car made less power, the car may have been making less power or it may have simply been the temperature… and vice versa.

Science is science. It’s pretty absolute, it’s always there, and you can’t do anything about it but if you don’t understand/consider it, you might throw a bunch of money at nonexistent problems.

Note – you get a double whammy here because the OE ECU also changes what it’s doing when conditions change… for example, when IAT goes up, not only is the combustion chamber mixture less dense, but the ECU commands a richer than optimum AFR to create a cooler burn (which reduces power) and run less ignition advance (which also reduces power) to protect the engine.

Torque limiting is completely different… it doesn’t happen one day and not the next like the article’s “mystery.” Torque limiting is an engineering solution to protect drive train components or to keep guys from killing themselves.

The “mystery” has several names… adaptation, normalization, and learning… all OBD2 compliant vehicles do it… by law. The 86 does it, as does every gasoline vehicle sold in the US since 1996. To keep this post reasonable, check out this FAQ link… http://www.unichip.us/265-faq-ecu-learning.

Adaptation happens gradually over time/miles and the reason power decreases over time is because the initial tune incorrectly accounted for adaptation. The chances you’ll go get a tune that will correctly account for adaptation in one dyno session are about zero… regardless of the tuning system involved. To make a good calibration, the tuner creates a calibration, then drives the car for a few days so it adapts. Then he refines the initial calibration to account for the observed adaptation and drives the car for a few more days. Then repeat… and repeat… until he’s correctly accounted for the adaptation and has stable performance. In the end, with a good tune, you get repeatable power. The key isn’t the tuning system, but with the tuner’s understanding of the vehicle’s adaptation schemes and how much time they take making the tune.

This is why calibrations take time. The initial tune for a specific bolt on configuration takes about an hour. The final tune won’t be done for maybe two weeks… during which there may three or four hours of actually “tuning...” the rest of time is driving to let the car adapt. Do it right and you get gains that are stable for tens of thousands of miles. Do it wrong, and while you’ll get gains the first day, they’re likely to be gone in a week.

As a final thought, adaptation is good and you want your car to do it… you really do. It’s what enables your car to start every morning, and get 35 mpg, and accelerate well, and drive nicely, regardless of how many miles it has.

You just need to know your EMS was designed with that adaptation in mind… all of our maps are.

Cheers
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[nelsmar]

Ectutek you can view the learn, disable bits of earn, set learn values, and log the learn values... A poor quality tuner could for say tune extremely aggressive ignition that was on the edge of the current enviro,net then when on the street the ecu ill admit a long term knock based learn value after enviro,net changes.

A good quality tuner will get t right the first time and the ecu out have to use aggressive learn values. No matter how you look at it a piggy back will neve be more accurate and will always be more prone to learn values as you can't specifically interact with the ecu.

My learn trims are very minimal in my logs and from a fresh flash and then a log weeks later I see very little difference I'm actually injector cycle time, and actual ignition timing on my tune. So my ecu isn't "takin over the world" and choosing for me. Of it was it would mean my tuner was sub par. Or tht it would t be possible for me t boost if it was hard coded. The one limits are too aggressive for boost and if the ecu auto learned it would er write my sable boost maps.

[Ninjin]

I actually feel pretty good about the plans for the dyno day then, since Toni wants to get us etunes first and use the dyno time for fine tuning. There should be enough time for the adaption to occur prior to the dyno time.

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