Engine idle chirping (cricket) noise poll.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by Silver86

Then you probably didn't get E0 or you got a little ethanol in the tank.

The Ethanol is causing it...

Also keep in mind that you are going to get 10-20% better MPG from E0 then from E10 or E15, also better throttle response.

So you might save .30 cents on the gallon but you are going to pay for it in less MPG and less performance.

I was on my third tank of ethanol free. I doubt any ethanol was left in the tank. Also to be honest I wasn't getting ethanol free for a little better response. I was getting it to stop the insane noise coming from my engine bay. I'm saying in my case it's not working. People can jump up and down and claim ethanol free is the solution. However, I find it no more of a solution right now than the "green dot" replacement pumps Toyota is installing.

Now do I believe ethanol in gas exacerbates the issue? I sure do. I also think the extreme heat also helps cause the issue. However, I tend to belive this guy that has actually taken a pump apart.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41776

I really think this may be the issue.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

I was on my third tank of ethanol free. I doubt any ethanol was left in the tank. Also to be honest I wasn't getting ethanol free for a little better response. I was getting it to stop the insane noise coming from my engine bay. I'm saying in my case it's not working. People can jump up and down and claim ethanol free is the solution. However, I find it no more of a solution right now than the "green dot" replacement pumps Toyota is installing.

Now do I believe ethanol in gas exacerbates the issue? I sure do. I also think the extreme heat also helps cause the issue. However, I tend to belive this guy that has actually taken a pump apart.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41776

I really think this may be the issue.

If extreme heat helps cause the issue why is it never mentioned in Australian forums? It is famous for being hot here.

The washer was mentioned as being the offending component a long time ago.

Unless the US has been sent special crap HP pumps that the other countries don't get, then it's ethanol reducimg the lubrication and increasing the friction. That's where heat comes in to increase the friction and therefore the noise.

[strat61caster]

Bad Moon isn't the only one who has tried ethanol free without success:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=2242
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=910
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=17

And you guys are forgetting the thousands upon thousands of cars running E10 and the handful running E85 without any chirps at all. Saying "it must not have been ethanol free then" is burying your head in the sand.

11k miles and my chirps have gone away, all E10, maybe it's a break in process so to speak, skullworks is the only community member who's seen it apart and doesn't think it has anything to do with the fuel.

Edit: A couple weeks ago I went through a drive in Napa valley, quite spirited, quite hot, about 110 degrees. If any crickets were left they would have been screaming.

[sierra]

If it's not the fuel then Japan must be shipping special low quality cars to the US for the special low prices you pay.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by sierra

If extreme heat helps cause the issue why is it never mentioned in Australian forums? It is famous for being hot here.

The washer was mentioned as being the offending component a long time ago.

Unless the US has been sent special crap HP pumps that the other countries don't get, then it's ethanol reducimg the lubrication and increasing the friction. That's where heat comes in to increase the friction and therefore the noise.

You seem to be against any feedback that may not agree with your theory. That's certainly a strange way of helping contribute to a possible solution. I simply post my findings here from my personal experience. People can do what they want with the information. Should you personally want to ignore it and say I'm wrong, that's fine. I hope others find what I post more useful.

[jonbonazza]

Crickets. I has them. 1800-ish miles.

[thill]

Not sure of my exact mileage, but I have had the car for almost 2 months and it has been very hot here this week (well over 90 degrees). Last 3 fillups have been with Sams 92 octane gas and I still don't hear any crickets. I assume I could hear them in my garage with the radio off and windows down?

[Sigh-on-Rice]

Originally Posted by typericey

Besides it's just some noise at idle and it doesn't even get into the cabin with the windows up.

If it's that quiet, then you might have something else. Mine was loud enough to hear even on the freeway when I put it in neutral with windows up. When the car is parked, it could be heard from the 4th floor.

[Silver86]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Bad Moon isn't the only one who has tried ethanol free without success:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...postcount=2242
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=910
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=17

And you guys are forgetting the thousands upon thousands of cars running E10 and the handful running E85 without any chirps at all. Saying "it must not have been ethanol free then" is burying your head in the sand.

11k miles and my chirps have gone away, all E10, maybe it's a break in process so to speak, skullworks is the only community member who's seen it apart and doesn't think it has anything to do with the fuel.

Edit: A couple weeks ago I went through a drive in Napa valley, quite spirited, quite hot, about 110 degrees. If any crickets were left they would have been screaming.

Honestly I'm not finding those thousands upon thousands of people you speak of.

Every car meet I've gone to 3/4 of the people had chirps and the only people who didn't were people like me who ran E0.

I think its more likely the people who aren't having success aren't actually getting E0 or have some other circumstance that puts them beyond the help of running E0.

E0 may not be the fix all, but it sure as hell seems to work for the majority of people who try it. I personally know 5 people who have switched and seen their crickets disappear.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Silver86

Honestly I'm not finding those thousands upon thousands of people you speak of.

Let's say this poll is an accurate representation of the percentage of users this affects, not including crickets that have gone away (I know I can't change my vote), and the thousands of owners who would never care to look for a forum to discuss their vehicles (with or without problems) and the people who made accounts here JUST FOR THIS ISSUE, which would all skew the results towards showing a higher percentage of cars chirping than reality.

83% chirp
17% don't

29.6 thousand vehicles sold so far,
24.5 thousand chirp
5.1 thousand are quiet
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10766

All I'm saying is that ethanol isn't the magic bullet you claim it to be.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41776

Edit: Here's another 9 users with and without ethanol fuel countering your claim.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37166
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17889

[Steve]

All shell V-Power ethanol free her whole life. Crickets off and on in the summer months. The inability to hold idle and the crickets during idle, is just the car asking and begging you to give her gas and start driving. Obviously.

[sierra]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

You seem to be against any feedback that may not agree with your theory. That's certainly a strange way of helping contribute to a possible solution. I simply post my findings here from my personal experience. People can do what they want with the information. Should you personally want to ignore it and say I'm wrong, that's fine. I hope others find what I post more useful.

No offense but you joined the forum quite recently and it's new to you but this thread started over a year ago and we've heard it all before.
Over and over and over again.

What is amazing is that over 80% of the cars have this problem in the US, according to the survey here and Subaru still haven't fixed it.

[BadMoon]

Originally Posted by sierra

No offense but you joined the forum quite recently and it's new to you but this thread started over a year ago and we've heard it all before.
Over and over and over again.

What is amazing is that over 80% of the cars have this problem in the US, according to the survey here and Subaru still haven't fixed it.

Now this post really makes sense. So my forum join date has something to do with my ability to substantiate my own claims? When there is an elephant in the room though I will call it out. You are being flat out unreasonable and your inability to recognize the fact you may be wrong makes you down right ignorant. Good luck with that. :happy0180:

[sierra]

Originally Posted by BadMoon

Now this post really makes sense. So my forum join date has something to do with my ability to substantiate my own claims? When there is an elephant in the room though I will call it out. You are being flat out unreasonable and your inability to recognize the fact you may be wrong makes you down right ignorant. Good luck with that. :happy0180:

It's always a good idea to read the thread before you post.