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[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by sdemo

I hate my torque dip less than I love my warranty.

True, and you definitely don't have to, but you do have the option to revert back to OEM and vice versa.

[nelsmar]

Originally Posted by sdemo

I hate my torque dip less than I love my warranty.

There is no issue simply flashing back before going to the dealer. A lot of dealers are semi okay with it. The only time it is a problem is if your engine blows up due to a bad tune. Which NA is going to be more difficult to do vs say a wrx. I haven't had any issues with the dealer I go to. He'll I'm going in for a shifter replacement here soon. They just know to not touch my ecu. And if thy do it is read only and they report back to me.

[Jar]

Originally Posted by SpyderMS

Sorry for my ignorance, but does your car need to be modified to get a tune? If not, is there a decent benefit of getting one without any other modification?

This is technically what a stage 1 tune is, a uniform tune built for a stock vehicle.

[sdemo]

Originally Posted by Sivtec

True, and you definitely don't have to, but you do have the option to revert back to OEM and vice versa.

Originally Posted by nelsmar

There is no issue simply flashing back before going to the dealer. A lot of dealers are semi okay with it. The only time it is a problem is if your engine blows up due to a bad tune. Which NA is going to be more difficult to do vs say a wrx. I haven't had any issues with the dealer I go to. He'll I'm going in for a shifter replacement here soon. They just know to not touch my ecu. And if thy do it is read only and they report back to me.

We're talking about maybe 5hp here. At the wheels, maybe 2. We don't drive turbo vehicles on which a tune is actually useful. This is the ONLY N/A platform's forum on which I've seen tunes so highly recommended.

Adding an intake and exhaust are less expensive and more worthwhile. Sure, you wont get "maximum" gains out of them unless you update fuel trim, etc, but 90% of the gains are in the hardware.

I think you guys should be careful with promoting warranty voiding (and not very worthwhile) practices. In my opinion, the ECU is the absolute LAST part of the upgrading equation.

[Yruyur]

Not sure where you are getting 2-5hp gains from.

Stg 1 tunes on our platform are generally getting around 20 at the wheel. Plus more with ethanol.

Its not about the max hp anyways its more about the overall driveability of the car. But the extra kick in the seat sure is nice.

You are more than welcome to drive my car anytime.

I made sure to ask about warranty work though my dealer when I had it in for service multiple times. They didnt care care.

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[ronnBOi720]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Not sure where you are getting 2-5hp gains from.

Stg 1 tunes on our platform are generally getting around 20 at the wheel. Plus more with ethanol.

Its not about the max hp anyways its more about the overall driveability of the car. But the extra kick in the seat sure is nice.

You are more than welcome to drive my car anytime.

I made sure to ask about warranty work though my dealer when I had it in for service multiple times. They didnt care care.

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Haha yeah? I'm thinking about getting the cable and licence so i can do my own tunes. If i was in pheonix I'd ask you to better help me

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[sdemo]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Stg 1 tunes on our platform are generally getting around 20 at the wheel. Plus more with ethanol.

I think you're exaggerating a bit with your pump gas estimate and, to be fair, I'm marginalizing. It is not my contention that gains can't be had, it's that there is an inherent risk associated to modifying one's ECU. To me, it is the last thing that should be touched - after all hardware has been upgraded - and, most of all, the driver has become better than their vehicle.

The most gains are to be made in the driver's seat.

[Yruyur]

Originally Posted by sdemo

I think you're exaggerating a bit with your pump gas estimate and, to be fair, I'm marginalizing. It is not my contention that gains can't be had, it's that there is an inherent risk associated to modifying one's ECU. To me, it is the last thing that should be touched - after all hardware has been upgraded - and, most of all, the driver has become better than their vehicle.

The most gains are to be made in the driver's seat.

Agreed that most gains can come from driver modification.

Ecu tuning can be safe as long as the afr ratios are kept within spec which most tuners are good about. Their base maps are safe while fine tuning is done via log. I just dont want people thinking that tunes are unsafe.

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[mattles]

While I wouldnt suggest a tune without atleast changing the intake/exhaust -- several tests have shown that you can get a decent amount of power (especially in the torque dip portion of the graph) while that wont increase your peak power much, a gain of 10-20tq in the torque dip can make a HUGE improvement in driving feel.

Even my lowly shit intake, the engineer that designed and tested it on my car said it wont realize its full potential without a tune. Since our ECUs are a clever self-learning type, the ECU literally tuned my car back to OEM power levels even after seeing decent gains on the first few dyno runs with the intake added.

Now since I only have an intake I said fuck it for now, but once any exhaust parts go on my car Im definitely getting a tune to take advantage of that. This ECU responds very well to slightly changes in its programming because it was tuned very very conservatively from the factory (likely to accommodate huge variances in gasoline across the nation).

[ronnBOi720]

Originally Posted by Yruyur

Agreed that most gains can come from driver modification.

Ecu tuning can be safe as long as the afr ratios are kept within spec which most tuners are good about. Their base maps are safe while fine tuning is done via log. I just dont want people thinking that tunes are unsafe.

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When it comes time I need me a good tune. Know anyone?

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[ronnBOi720]

Originally Posted by mattles

While I wouldnt suggest a tune without atleast changing the intake/exhaust -- several tests have shown that you can get a decent amount of power (especially in the torque dip portion of the graph) while that wont increase your peak power much, a gain of 10-20tq in the torque dip can make a HUGE improvement in driving feel.

Even my lowly shit intake, the engineering that designed and tested it on my car said it wont realize its full potential without a tune. Now since I only have an intake I said fuck it for now, but once any exhaust parts go on my car Im definitely getting a tune to take advantage of that. This ECU responds very well to slightly changes in its programming because it was tuned very very conservatively from the factory (likely to accomodate huge variances in gasoline across the nation).

Do you know where a good time would be found

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[bignrichlll]

Originally Posted by ronnBOi720

Do you know where a good time would be found

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Arent there numbers you can call for that? or certain districts in the shady part of town..

[Sivtec]

Originally Posted by sdemo

We're talking about maybe 5hp here. At the wheels, maybe 2. We don't drive turbo vehicles on which a tune is actually useful. This is the ONLY N/A platform's forum on which I've seen tunes so highly recommended.

Adding an intake and exhaust are less expensive and more worthwhile. Sure, you wont get "maximum" gains out of them unless you update fuel trim, etc, but 90% of the gains are in the hardware.

I think you guys should be careful with promoting warranty voiding (and not very worthwhile) practices. In my opinion, the ECU is the absolute LAST part of the upgrading equation.

Although I agree with Yruyur (I do believe you get more than 5hp), I think the biggest reason to get a "stage 1" tune would to be get rid of our terrible torque curve. This way when you step on it, it doesn't take 3 days to respond. That would be MY biggest reason in getting it. Like I said I won't be getting mine till after I get the rest of my exhaust.

Originally Posted by ronnBOi720

Do you know where a good time would be found

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Like, comment and PM the guys from Dynocomp, we are trying to get them to be a local tuner which IMO is way better than an out of state one.

https://www.facebook.com/Dynocomp/posts/686162981398540

[ronnBOi720]

Originally Posted by bignrichlll

Arent there numbers you can call for that? or certain districts in the shady part of town..

LmFaO oh my that was a good one.

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