Innovate SC Install, Testing & Tuning

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I really hate to be an ass, but seriously where are the data logs?
How many people and times do we have to ask for it?

Yeah its great, dynos look good, its fast easy to install.

marketing marketing...

We have seen all this before, and a million dyno sheets.

Post the real world data, enough with the marketing.
IAT post, oil temps, knock, timing, coolant etc. Just post up the data on the back to back.

After this long its clear you guys are either afraid to do so or tip toeing around the manufacturer I don't know but it's getting old.

Originally Posted by s2d4

I think he said he asked for a test unit which I said would be good for a community exercise. Not sure if I saw anything direct, at one stage it looked like he was asking bob for info in this thread.

Still not entirely sure, I need/want further info until I am comfortable with making a decision. Leaning towards turbocharging at this point..

He's not asking Bob, he's asking Innovate. He quoted Bob because he was voicing something similar to Bob but louder.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

He's not asking Bob, he's asking Innovate. He quoted Bob because he was voicing something similar to Bob but louder.

Maybe he asked in pm, haven't seen his questions tagged to innovate guys.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Maybe he asked in pm, haven't seen his questions tagged to innovate guys.

(Facepalm)

Nevermind..

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

(Facepalm)

Nevermind..

He asked moto-mike not mines13.

[Dezoris]

I asked mines for a test unit via PM.

I have asked in about 5 different Innovate threads about log data. No official response. I have also sent PMs about it.

So let me make it official:

Dear, XXXXX

Thank you for selling, producing, buying, supporting, tuning the Innovate Supercharger. Would you be so kind to actually post data logs showing the following information:

From Dynos, Back to Back runs, Track, Autox, Street Driving
IAT, Oil Temps, Coolant Temps, Barometric Pressures, Timing etc
ECUtek logs would be great, or just any type of data not marketing related.
@mines13 @moto-mike
@Innovate Motorsports
@BerkTechnology
@robispec
@sw20kosh
@tom@kartboy
@DarrenDriven
@ftc~brz
@swift996
@whataboutbob

[swift996]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I asked mines for a test unit via PM.

From Dynos, Back to Back runs, Track, Autox, Street Driving
IAT, Oil Temps, Coolant Temps, Barometric Pressures, Timing etc
ECUtek logs would be great, or just any type of data not marketing related.
[/B]

I might be doing an hour session on the dyno to log and smooth out my tune. I will provide all this because I log it constantly. So I'll have data on the street for sure. My next track day probably won't be until I order an oil cooler and install it.

This was a log from my first HPDE session of the day. I got black flagged (passenger window wasn't down) so I had to sit in the pits for about 3 minutes which you will see the idle.


BTW - Install on Friday so I should get some logs on Sat/Sun of street driving.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by swift996

I might be doing an hour session on the dyno to log and smooth out my tune. I will provide all this because I log it constantly. So I'll have data on the street for sure. My next track day probably won't be until I order an oil cooler and install it.

This was a log from my first HPDE session of the day. I got black flagged (passenger window wasn't down) so I had to sit in the pits for about 3 minutes which you will see the idle.


BTW - Install on Friday so I should get some logs on Sat/Sun of street driving.

Ok so this is your baseline before the supercharger correct? Thank you for posting up!

[swift996]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Ok so this is your baseline before the supercharger correct? Thank you for posting up!

Correct, my oil temps likely hit ~270 in later sessions as I was pushing harder and the ambient temps increased (phone died - logged with Torque).

That "N/A" baseline was with an AEM intake, FA20Club EL Header (catted) & front-pipe (resonated) and a Unichip EMS.

From glancing at logs in the past (I'll see if I can dig any up) on street driving with a few WOT pulls to get some data points. I remember my water temps being in the 192-196 range (when moving) and oil temps got as high as 216.

[ftc~brz]

Roger on data post. Will share all I can. My install starts Friday.


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[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Would you be so kind to actually post data logs showing the following information:

From Dynos, Back to Back runs, Track, Autox, Street Driving
IAT, Oil Temps, Coolant Temps, Barometric Pressures, Timing etc
ECUtek logs would be great, or just any type of data not marketing related.
[/B] @mines13 @moto-mike
@Innovate Motorsports
@BerkTechnology
@robispec
@sw20kosh
@tom@kartboy
@DarrenDriven
@ftc~brz
@swift996
@whataboutbob

Will be doing some data logging tonight. Will share what I can.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by swift996

Correct, my oil temps likely hit ~270 in later sessions as I was pushing harder and the ambient temps increased (phone died - logged with Torque).

That "N/A" baseline was with an AEM intake, FA20Club EL Header (catted) & front-pipe (resonated) and a Unichip EMS.

From glancing at logs in the past (I'll see if I can dig any up) on street driving with a few WOT pulls to get some data points. I remember my water temps being in the 192-196 range (when moving) and oil temps got as high as 216.

Super smart that you have before and after data to compare.
Establishing a baseline with show exactly how the car transformed good and bad.

Originally Posted by ftc~brz

Roger on data post. Will share all I can. My install starts Friday.


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Good luck on the install, if you can collect basic data before hand that would probably be good. (What your normal temps etc are now)

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

Will be doing some data logging tonight. Will share what I can.

Thanks man, looking forward to it.

[mad_sb]

As has been mentioned several times now, Stock IAT sensor is built into the maf so IAT will be the same as an NA car. What you want is MAT (manifold air temp) and we do not have a sensor for that.

Innovate would be the best source for MAT data considering they manufacture a full compliment of gauges and data acquisition equipment.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by mad_sb

As has been mentioned several times now, Stock IAT sensor is built into the maf so IAT will be the same as an NA car. What you want is MAT (manifold air temp) and we do not have a sensor for that.

Innovate would be the best source for MAT data considering they manufacture a full compliment of gauges and data acquisition equipment.

I would venture to say that is partially true with the exception of having a giant oven on top of the engine bay with no ventilation or intercooling will cause IATs to rise despite the MAF being on the stock airbox.

And yes, you are dead on that there needs to be MAT sensor. This is why I am continuing to hound for data, if your IAT at the airbox are for example are 20% higher than stock, then you can imagine what your MAT temps are. It's the fine print of this kit.

This is why I want the vendors, tuners and guys like Robi to step up and provide some quality info to the community. This is basic basic information that should have been released the day the kit was put up for sale, so something is off.

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

This is why I want the vendors, tuners and guys like Robi to step up and provide some quality info to the community. This is basic basic information that should have been released the day the kit was put up for sale, so something is off.

Robi does not have a MAT sensor. We were thinking of ways to install one on my car and have it talk directly to the ECU instead of using the now-useless IAT.

For a FI application, you want the ECU to be reading manifold temperature not airbox temperature.

Turbo kits solve this problem by doing a blow through MAF placement where the MAF is placed after the turbo and intercooler which essentially reads the temperature of the air in the manifold.

The twin screw system still gets its temp data from the airbox.