100% DI Failure with Nurburgring rentals

[BlaineWasHere]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

@BlaineWasHere - Then it's either a matter of time, or you're not shifting fast enough to cause the problem.

I'm sure if a few people who don't think they have an issue did some datalogging (for knock) they may be unpleasantly surprised.

It's silly to say it's an inevitable problem for every car.

[torqdork]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

@BlaineWasHere - Then it's either a matter of time, or you're not shifting fast enough to cause the problem.

I'm sure if a few people who don't think they have an issue did some datalogging (for knock) they may be unpleasantly surprised.

I'll be using an UltraGauge that can monitor, alarm and log dozens of parameters. Which ones should I set to alarm and at what hi/lo thresholds to detect knock? TIA...

http://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/

[thill]

Originally Posted by Gixxersixxerman

I think you missed the whole point of his post.. He is not saying they are garbage, he is saying if you get on that forum, the members make it seem as if the transmission is garbage.. Kinda like the 5-6 members on here that make it seem like this engine won't see over 25k..

Yes, exactly. I had one member PM me constantly (to buy a Toyota) when I inquired on the Honda forum about the transmission issues before I bought. I bought the Honda anyway and it was the most reliable vehicle I had ever purchased. No transmission issues ever. I think the thing could easily have gone for 150-200K miles with no major repairs. I sold it after almost 8 years and bought another Honda (again that has had no transmission issues).

Clearly there are issues with the DI seals under certain situations with our cars. I am not denying it. But I still don't buy that the extent of the issue and that every car will be affected. If it was as bad as some people say it is, we would have thousands of reports of this all over the forums. We have had, what, 11-12 people claim they were affected so far? And I am not advocating that people put their head in the sand and do nothing, but we are seeing threads get started now by people who are scared to buy this car because they think the engine might explode. Which is, well, ridiculous.

[whaap]

On topic, I think the OP supports the fact that if you drive it like you stole it there's a considerable price to pay.

[ayau]

Originally Posted by thill

Yes, exactly. I had one member PM me constantly (to buy a Toyota) when I inquired on the Honda forum about the transmission issues before I bought. I bought the Honda anyway and it was the most reliable vehicle I had ever purchased. No transmission issues ever. I think the thing could easily have gone for 150-200K miles with no major repairs. I sold it after almost 8 years and bought another Honda (again that has had no transmission issues).

Clearly there are issues with the DI seals under certain situations with our cars. I am not denying it. But I still don't buy that the extent of the issue and that every car will be affected. If it was as bad as some people say it is, we would have thousands of reports of this all over the forums. We have had, what, 11-12 people claim they were affected so far? And I am not advocating that people put their head in the sand and do nothing, but we are seeing threads get started now by people who are scared to buy this car because they think the engine might explode. Which is, well, ridiculous.

I think there's something clearly wrong if the CSG guys lost 2 engines in a row. Maybe losing 1 engine could be a fluke, but losing 2 engines in a row doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by BlaineWasHere

It's silly to say it's an inevitable problem for every car.

I didn't say that. I said if you cause the problem with a particular driving style, then it's only a matter of time before the injector seal fails.

[thill]

Originally Posted by ayau

I think there's something clearly wrong if the CSG guys lost 2 engines in a row. Maybe losing 1 engine could be a fluke, but losing 2 engines in a row doesn't seem like a coincidence to me.

Well I agree, but there are more variables than just saying if you push your car hard it will fail eventually. Because I guarantee you there are more than 12 people on this forum who push their car hard on a routine basis including at the track. You don't even need to be on a track to replicate the issue that is described.

[torqdork]

I'll be setting spark advance/retard to alarm outside of a certain range, but don't recall the default values being posted. Does anyone have the normal range of spark advance/retard? If this works, it could be an effective way to predict DI problems before getting a CEL using a $60 real time monitoring UltraGauge.

[tomato86]

Ruh roh, as if I needed another reason to get rid of this car.

[Midtenn]

The question that sticks in my mind as a potential FR-S buyer is this: Has anyone had an injector seal failure with a reflashed/tuned ECU with a correct transient timing map?

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Midtenn

The question that sticks in my mind as a potential FR-S buyer is this: Has anyone had an injector seal failure with a reflashed/tuned ECU with a correct transient timing map?

Problem is that MOST of us don't drive like this, so we would never see/experience the issue anyway. An aftermarket tune (which you will see why you want one when you get the car....torque dip) can be made to counter this problem as well, or should be able to.

People are getting all stupid over a problem that they will never see. It's somewhat comical IMHO. If Toyota comes out with a re-flash, will I get it? ABSOLUTELY! If they don't am I going to sell my car? HELL NO!

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Midtenn

The question that sticks in my mind as a potential FR-S buyer is this: Has anyone had an injector seal failure with a reflashed/tuned ECU with a correct transient timing map?

I don't think so, I don't think CSG mike had a tune on his:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...y+claim+denied

I think the tune prevents any issues such as this, not only does it fix the torque dip issues but I believe it would also if done correctly retard ignition timing past 5200 rpm as the paper from south africa said

[pmdc]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

I don't think so, I don't think CSG mike had a tune on his:http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...y+claim+denied

I think the tune prevents any issues such as this, not only does it fix the torque dip issues but I believe it would also if done correctly retard ignition timing past 5200 rpm as the paper from south africa said

You misread his question

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[ayau]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

Problem is that MOST of us don't drive like this, so we would never see/experience the issue anyway. An aftermarket tune (which you will see why you want one when you get the car....torque dip) can be made to counter this problem as well, or should be able to.

People are getting all stupid over a problem that they will never see. It's somewhat comical IMHO. If Toyota comes out with a re-flash, will I get it? ABSOLUTELY! If they don't am I going to sell my car? HELL NO!

I wouldn't go that far and say never. It might just take a longer time for the issue to arise. No one knows right now. If the problem is truly caused by quick red line shifting, then it's a pretty big issue IMO.