FBM Tuning fixed my issue, FA20 and Visconti didn't work as well

[ft_sjo]

So my question would be if FBM has tuned around a problem, which would obviously be the wrong thing to do?

[Fast_Freddy]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

So my question would be if FBM has tuned around a problem, which would obviously be the wrong thing to do?

Why would it be wrong to tune out a problem? That's what a tune is supposed to do.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Why would it be wrong to tune out a problem? That's what a tune is supposed to do.

Incorrect. The vehicle should be mechanically sound before you perform a tune. Which makes me laugh when everyone bolts on a turbo kit without pressure/leak testing the system.

[jdm-az-fuk]

Fbm FTW

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by JP

Why did you not go with the turbo kit manufacturer's tune in the first place?

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

He probably listened to advice given on this forum...

@whitefrs. I am curious as to the reason you did not just get your turbo manufacturer's tune out of the gate, especially since it is free.

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

@whitefrs. I am curious as to the reason you did not just get your turbo manufacturer's tune out of the gate, especially since it is free.

I didnt know they did e-tunes and i never used their basemap as John told me that the basemap was not safe at all

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Incorrect. The vehicle should be mechanically sound before you perform a tune. Which makes me laugh when everyone bolts on a turbo kit without pressure/leak testing the system.

So you are saying that my car has a leak and they just worked around it?

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

So you are saying that my car has a leak and they just worked around it?

I'm not stating anything, i've never touched your car. I said it was a question that should be asked. No tuner can tell 100% if the vehicle is mechanically sound from hundreds or thousands of miles away.

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

Couldn't agree more. Disrespectful. And 1000$ in tunes? You mean 1000$ for liscense and cable and tunes....

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Nop

600 tune for Visconti
400 tune for FA20

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by FullBlown

What upsets us the most is that our customers have told us about Vendors who sell E-tunes on this forum, have been PMing them and bashing our work to offer their services. We do not advertise tunes for anything other than ones for our kits and yes "FREE"

Originally Posted by whitefrs

I didnt know they did e-tunes and i never used their basemap as John told me that the basemap was not safe at all

Hmmmm....

[whitefrs]

Originally Posted by whitefrs

So you are saying that my car has a leak and they just worked around it?

Btw i did a smoke test and no leaks

[Dave-ROR]

Thread has been cleaned some. I don't see a reason to delete/lock it unless it goes farther off track...

Originally Posted by whitefrs

I really appreciate your help but i did pay you man
My issue was not mechanically at all

I appreciate your business and you have a great customer Service

The steps that Tony took at least (you haven't mentioned what troubleshooting John performed) are prudent. Flip the situation around, a customer has a modified car that you weren't involved with physically and it's having multiple issues. Would you A) just retune it until it's fixed or B) Troubleshoot any mechanical issues first before retuning. Option A is easier, but since you don't know the car and kit that well (compared to FBM for example) you could end up getting blamed on here when the engine blows up because it actually had a mechanical issue. Option B takes longer and you as the vendor are dependent on the customer doing some testing. However, in the case it is a mechanical issue, bad sensor, etc you end up potentially saving that customers engine.

Personally I would ALWAYS troubleshoot mechanical issues first UNLESS the only thing I changed was the tune in the first place. If this was right after a turbo install I would absolutely inspect and test every sensor, etc before trying to retune. It's simply the prudent thing to do unless you've seen the issue before and know exactly what is causing it, etc.

Originally Posted by jamesm

this forum is not a public service provided for your entertainment or education. it is a business venture. money wins and the guys that pay the bills make the rules, to varying degrees.

That's only partially true. I've had multiple vendors complain to Hachi about my posts against them and Hachi agreed that I should be able to post whatever I want as long as it's reasonable and factually true which it always has been. So sure, the vendors help pay the bills, but they do NOT have the ability to shutdown opinions against them and some vendors have been removed for trying to.

Originally Posted by reeves

vendor-pitting pot-stirring, moderator-obligated deletes, locks, & bans... man, i LOVE this forum! haha j/k.. i'm sure all 3 tuners do a great job.

still...

Cleanup.. yeah.. locks and bans.. why?

Originally Posted by Fast_Freddy

Why would it be wrong to tune out a problem? That's what a tune is supposed to do.

Originally Posted by whitefrs

So you are saying that my car has a leak and they just worked around it?

This is in response to the two quotes above and a real example of what the other poster meant. It is NOT in any way a suggestion that FBM did so, just the reasoning for the question the other poster asked.

We just finished a buddies 240SX SR20DET a few months ago and it was having some issues at higher loads. Took it to the dyno, and found the knock sensor was freaking out for no reason. Tested sensor, found it to be a bad sensor. Without a spare sensor available and having planned (and paid for) taking the car to Sebring the very next day, the knock sensor input was disabled/ignored.

So now that car ran great, but the knock sensor could no longer do it's job if it had to, which could easily result in a dead engine. That's just an example of tuning around a mechanical problem so it was IMO a fair and reasonable question to ask.



Having said all of that I have zero experience with the tunes themselves of any of these guys and have heard mixed reviews of every single tuner on here (that sells tunes, I haven't seen anything about FBM that I can recall).

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

Couldn't agree more. Disrespectful. And 1000$ in tunes? You mean 1000$ for liscense and cable and tunes....

Nope. Visconti charges $600 for his forced induction tune, and FA20club.com charges $400 for his forced induction tune.

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by JP

Why did you not go with the turbo kit manufacturer's tune in the first place?

Because as much as this forum loves E-Tuning, some of us would prefer to have the tuner in person and tuning the car. I got an opportunity to have Visconti street tune my car, and I paid the $600. I now have the opportunity to have Toni dyno tune the car for $400, and I am taking it. I am a huge LJ and Full Blown fan. I have spoke to him many times, and he is always interested in knowing how my car is running. Heck I still might one day drive up to Minnesota (have family in River Falls, WI) and let LJ take a swing at tuning the car as well.

When I was having serious ECU flashing issues all three of them offered to help me get the ECU flashed. I sent it to Visconti to flash it for me for $100. I sent it to LJ to flash it for free. Toni at FA20club.com also talked to me and offered to trouble shoot it as I was having issues getting in contact with John and needed a new license everytime the flash failed.

I believe in transparency, and I don't pull any punches.