Innovate SC Install, Testing & Tuning

[Raven604]

What octane?

[Xero-Limit]

93. Torque curve flat almost. Up to 219.

[s2d4]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

93. Torque curve flat almost. Up to 219.

Sorry, 219 what?

[Raven604]

Whp I'm assuming

[RYU]

@moto-mike - looks like the innovate intake manifold is alum. Can you provide some feedback on your IATs please? How's the heatsoak?

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by RYU

@moto-mike - looks like the innovate intake manifold is alum. Can you provide some feedback on your IATs please? How's the heatsoak?

It doesn't come with a IAT sensor in the manifold. You would have to add a IAT sensor.

As such he probably is still reading IAT from the airbox.

[Carwhisperer]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

93. Torque curve flat almost. Up to 219.

Whp correct? Father always told me to never assume.

[Xero-Limit]

Ok, so here's the verdict. First dyno sheet, stock (in cold weather) vs the innovate kit no IC no meth pump 93, hot swampy weather:



Then we added a bit of the corn juice...



We only did the one run on E85 as we had to pack up, so I don't know 100% why it fell off at 7k, but I suspect it is me lifting prior to hitting stop or the smooth rev limit. It pulls to redline on the street just fine.

Now, for the never ending debate, vortech vs innovate on stock fueling for both, pump gas for both, BUT, and a big BUT, the vortech car has a header. The innovate car was put back to a stock intake/exhaust for tune work. However, it shows that you can have lots of fun in both!



Oil temps are higher, about 10c I'd say based on datalogs. Might add a cooler but I don't think it is needed for street with synthetic oil. The blower got HOT on the dyno with the back to back runs. I know the meth/h20 is not so good for the rotor coatings, but cooling it off may be a bigger benefit. Perhaps innovate will comment here.

Conclusion: Hell yeah!

[Carwhisperer]

Time to run e85.

[swift996]

How much is a little corn juice?

Also are you running the OEM air filter? This is about what I expected as a baseline with the OEM components. I can't wait to install mine. I'll get in contact with you soon, I believe my EcuTek cable arrives any minute now.

[Raven604]

So much torque.

[RedLeader]

Originally Posted by moto-mike

Now, for the never ending debate, vortech vs innovate on stock fueling for both, pump gas for both, BUT, and a big BUT, the vortech car has a header. The innovate car was put back to a stock intake/exhaust for tune work. However, it shows that you can have lots of fun in both!

I'll say it: Obviously there could be a lot going on here we don't see besides just a graph, but still. Looks like the innovate makes more torque and power everywhere under 5500rpm, only then does the vortech kit start taking off. I don't see a ~$1500 difference in performance between the two kits.

Ideally, I'd love to see a graph of the innovate kit, vortech, stock and (insert turbo kit here) all on the same car, same supporting mods (none if possible) and all from the same ECU tuner, same weather, same fuel..and so on.

In the end, this makes the Innovate kit look like its more than worth it, purely based on comparison. Just my opinion though.

[xxscaxx]

@moto-mike - this is stock injectors/fuel pump right? You see any benefit at the moment to upgrade them? (especially talking for e85)

[Drift-Office]

Originally Posted by RedLeader

I'll say it: Obviously there could be a lot going on here we don't see besides just a graph, but still. Looks like the innovate makes more torque and power everywhere under 5500rpm, only then does the vortech kit start taking off. I don't see a ~$1500 difference in performance between the two kits.

In the end, this makes the Innovate kit look like its more than worth it, purely based on comparison. Just my opinion though.

You also don't see an intercooled setup with the Innovate, or endurance on either for that matter... Nor do we have a boost plot to indicate what's going on in the respective RPM ranges... esp up top.

My 2 cents.


Bob @ Drift-Office, LLC