100% DI Failure with Nurburgring rentals

[Roadliner]

[QUOTE=ft_sjo;1051833]These threads are getting out of hand.

The art of Chinese whispers, eh?

So now chumps are thinking there is a problem with the DI system on our cars. They're even saying that "Toyota D4S suxxxx!!!!". Well done you fucking clowns.

The issue is an ECU calibration problem which has been addressed with cal A01x. Yes detonation can be harmful (in certain circumstances). Yes it can drop the tips off spark plugs. No it's nothing nothing to do with Direct Injection.

And to the guy telling people to raise complaints to instigate a recall, get a fucking grip. Manufacturers respond to failures. If it fails, get it repaired under warranty. If you're scared the manufacturer will deny your claim because you've modified your car, then tough. Shouldn't have modified it (whether it was the cause or not). You knew the risks.

Toyota/Subaru will know a LOT more about this issue than anyone on this forum. They will know exactly what has gone back into dealerships for repair. They will know exactly how widespread the problem is. And they're probably 6 months ahead of you on a fix. The half-a-dozen or so doom-mongers on this website need to get a life and stop being so paranoid.[/QUOTE

Everyone else has been above pointing this out but I'm not going to.
Relax your tone a little please. We are all fans of this great car and should be friendly about it.
There's a lot of information in this forum, good or bad, theres nowhere else you can learn so much about these cars. Everyone just having a discussion

[Hawaiian]

Originally Posted by regal

Its all about miles, that's what sucks about it. First symptoms many wouldn't even notice as there is no CEL.

We need a volunteer to pull there injectors, someone who drives spiritedly has over 25k miles and is confident nothing is wrong with the car. Inspect the seals, how are they holding up ? I'd do it but I only drive 7k per year. I'd be willing to pitch in $100 if we started a collection and it was well documented.

I love these cars but I would hate to see this issue ignored and see the problem escalate as the warranty expires. I would also hate to see someone hurt or killed from a seized engine on the highway.

The issue shouldn't be ignored due to small numbers, I doubt anyone has put 20k city miles on their car.

I was thinking about yanking mine, althought It is a bit of work. I have 30k miles, and over a dozen autox days. I drive quite spiritedly.

[ft_sjo]

Originally Posted by Roadliner

There's a lot of information in this forum, good or bad, theres nowhere else you can learn so much about these cars. Everyone just having a discussion

When is bad information, good? Only when someone points out it's bad so folks know to ignore/avoid it. Et voila.

[bestwheelbase]

Originally Posted by Roadliner

Everyone else has been above pointing this out but I'm not going to.
Relax your tone a little please. We are all fans of this great car and should be friendly about it.
There's a lot of information in this forum, good or bad, theres nowhere else you can learn so much about these cars. Everyone just having a discussion

Well said.

@ft_sjo You'll forgive us if we're a bit skeptical that "Manufacturers respond to failures." There are plenty of cases where manufacturers deny warranty claims even when multitudes of owners experience similar (or identical) failures. We are not there yet... but a lot of us are watching these threads and doing two things. 1) Hope for the best. 2) Prepare for the worst. In the next 3, 6, 12+ months we will see how widespread these issues become.

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by Hawaiian

I was thinking about yanking mine, althought It is a bit of work. I have 30k miles, and over a dozen autox days. I drive quite spiritedly.

If you decide to yank yours, let me know if you need to borrow the seal install tool

[enderr]

Chiming in...

So I'm reading this and the other two related threads in the TSB/Issues section...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38397
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36129

(Moderators: Please delete and/or lock this thread! EVERYONE ELSE: Please post in the threads above. We're not going to get anywhere by posting the same thing in three different places!)

...now that that's out of the way...

I purchased my FR-S in Aug of 2012 and it has 19,500 miles on it. Other than a strut bar there are no modifications. At 1600 miles I lost an intake variable timing cam and the car was in the shop for 4 weeks waiting for parts.

Unlike some of the other owners in this thread I drive this car, very hard, every day. This engine only seems to produce reasonable torque between 5000rpm and redline and frankly I'm frustrated with this engine's lack of power (I came out of an M3). I spend a LOT of time at WOT and I frequently shift @ 7000-7200rpm. I have an AT and unless it's snowing the car's transmission is always in sport mode and I'm always manually shifting the car (both up-shifting and downshifting).

I bought an extended warranty with Toyota that I'm in the process of canceling before I make an investment into a FI setup. So far, so good; no DI issues. Just two points;

1) I believe those of you who are babying your cars by shifting them at 5000 rpm and never going to WOT are doing a disservice to the FT-86 community at large. Simply put; don't delay the inevitable! If it's going to break you want it to do so sooner rather then later.

2) I think this is a Manual Transmission issue. I know this shouldn't have anything to do with it but to date I have only read about MT cars being affected (if I'm wrong someone please correct me).

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

To those paranoid people, just change gear a little slower and you won't have the problem.

The TSB is quite clear. Let me try and dumb it down for folks: "If you change gear faster than ~half a second when you're above 5200rpm and WOT, you may end up with a problem (if you don't upgrade to the cal which fixes it)".

You mean the calibration that the manufacturer has not implemented on cars before a certain production date? What do the owners of those cars do, buy an aftermarket tune? Yeah, that's a practical way of fixing an oem problem.

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

You mean the calibration that the manufacturer has not implemented on cars before a certain production date? What do the owners of those cars do, buy an aftermarket tune? Yeah, that's a practical way of fixing an oem problem.

Thankfully, you don't own one of these cars so it won't effect you as much as those of us who do . Besides, a lot of people who are tracking these cars are tuning them to get rid of that torque dip, so just hit two birds with one stone.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

Thankfully, you don't own one of these cars so it won't effect you as much as those of us who do . Besides, a lot of people who are tracking these cars are tuning them to get rid of that torque dip, so just hit two birds with one stone.

I guess that makes my points or concerns invalid or my presence here unnecessary because I don't have the car YET...

Or that I don't want anyone who is already an owner to experience warranty problems...

Sorry, if I expect more out of a brand new car...

[DJCarbine]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I guess that makes my points or concerns invalid or my presence here unnecessary because I don't have the car YET...

Sorry, if I expect more out of a brand new car...

You don't post on clubrsx do you?
You are really really familiar.....

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by DJCarbine

You don't post on clubrsx do you?
You are really really familiar.....

Nope...

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Slash

Oh here, I'll make my post useful.

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/foru...d.php?t=119326

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Thank you for actually providing something of substance instead of, "no worries, ya'll are just paranoid, if it happens, oh well..."

[suaveflooder]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I guess that makes my points or concerns invalid or my presence here unnecessary because I don't have the car YET...

Or that I don't want anyone who is already an owner to experience warranty problems...

Sorry, if I expect more out of a brand new car...

With all due respect, right now your concerns are invalid because you don't have experience or even the chance of having the experience right now. Toyota doesn't care what you have to say on an issue that it would be impossible for you to have. Warranty problems seem to be coming from modification or racing. Once again, these are valid warranty refusals. Autox is one thing, a track that you push your car harder than it has even been pushed before and longer than it has ever been pushed, is something completely different.

My car's engine/drive train is staying 100% stock until my warranty is up. If the car was a couple years old, even in design, it would be a different story, but on a first model year, being so quick to jump in to mods is risky. I personally can't afford the risk, hence the untouched drive train.

You expect too much from a NEW platform. There will always be issues and kinks that need to be worked out. You said it yourself, so that's why you are waiting to purchase, which is wise. If this is truly and issue and it is fixable with a tune, guess what Toyota can do? New software update! Keep your ears open and be patient. Stop making such a fuss over nothing, because right now, that's EXACTLY what it is. It has the potential to turn into something more, but I doubt Toyota will let that happen

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by suaveflooder

With all due respect, right now your concerns are invalid because you don't have experience or even the chance of having the experience right now. Toyota doesn't care what you have to say on an issue that it would be impossible for you to have. Warranty problems seem to be coming from modification or racing. Once again, these are valid warranty refusals. Autox is one thing, a track that you push your car harder than it has even been pushed before and longer than it has ever been pushed, is something completely different.

My car's engine/drive train is staying 100% stock until my warranty is up. If the car was a couple years old, even in design, it would be a different story, but on a first model year, being so quick to jump in to mods is risky. I personally can't afford the risk, hence the untouched drive train.

You expect too much from a NEW platform. There will always be issues and kinks that need to be worked out. You said it yourself, so that's why you are waiting to purchase, which is wise. If this is truly and issue and it is fixable with a tune, guess what Toyota can do? New software update! Keep your ears open and be patient. Stop making such a fuss over nothing, because right now, that's EXACTLY what it is. It has the potential to turn into something more, but I doubt Toyota will let that happen

I'm making discussion, if you can't handle it, oh well...

I'm a potential customer, in marketing terms, Toyota actually cares more about me than you actually, they already have your money...but that is beside the point