Having an extremely tough time deciding...

[JDLM]

Originally Posted by lfawishes

totally false sorry, if thats the case why has my buddies failed 2 more times in the last year, most recently a month ago.

He just bought a Lexus the 335 is up for sale, I guess after 5 fp's it's just not worth it anymore.

335/135 is overpriced magee, cool for making lots of straight line power.

I have had my car brand new from Day 1 in 2009 right off the boat and did mine voluntary to get it out of the way.

I am sure there are going to be a friend of a friends cousin's brother twice removed stories going around the internet.

BMW did come forward and address the issue and extended the HPFP warranty. (That is what I meant about "non issue")

The 335/135 (here lets break it down N54/N55 engines) are great I'm sorry he went to a car that has been in need of a major overhaul for a couple years.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by stott

you say it's only good on the r-spec and track models ... those are the performance models. the touring and base models don't have a LSD nor do they have the brembo brakes. so yea, obviously you don't want those for performance.

i agree that the tranny in the GC isn't the best, can't deny that. on a brand new car with brand new syncros, the shifter should simply glide from 2nd to third, but it wouldn't.

there really hasn't been any official word on weight, and every time i see it somewhere it's higher than before. so we'll see!

I agree..

The performance models are the ones that compare to the FR-S\BRZ, if and only if you are considering the GC VS the FRS\BRZ. A lot of people obviously are.

Official curb weights are from www.hyundaiusa.com

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-co...fications.aspx

____________________________2.0T_____________3.8V6
Curb weight (lbs., M/T / A/T) 3294 / 3362_______ 3389 / 3397

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by NemesisPrime909

:c lap: a round of applause for logic.

Power isn't everything

It isn't everything, but to many people especially in America where aside from routes and backroads the majority of our roads are long straight highway, it's a factor. Once I tore my the mods off my SVT and overtaking someone became an annoyance again it got me thinking. Dropping two gears and flooring it just to slowly creep your way up from 70 to 85 is a little more than annoying.
But as stated, power is a problem that can be remedied after the fact. Then again, so is handling and at a certain point (because we aren't all ballin'ass'rich) you've gotta ask yourself which is more costly. At least that's my dilemma.


Edit: to answer a question earlier, I had a Jackson Racing Supercharger on my SVT before I sold all my mods. (Just the regular JRSC kit, I decided to opt out of the Big Boost Kit for handling reasons)

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by lfawishes

You can never make up for handling being designed into the car. You can increase your spring rates a little, get some stiffer sway bars, tires, but the design is the most important thing.

In my opinion you should drive the car an see what you like, all the speculation is worthless until we've been behind the wheel.

Yeah that'll be the end all decision. Was just trying to get a bit of insight from people that have actually driven the 3.8 GC Track, because I never have. OR maybe I would have been lucky enough to get someone here that has put work into a GC to voice their opinion.

Like I have other cars on my list but those are the two I'm most concerned with atm. Other options being the 2013 Focus ST, e46 M3, 335i or 135i, 5.0 Stang, and 2013 WRX STI. But like I said I'm not too concerned with those, the only one I haven't driven is the ST and I told myself my next car wouldn't be Bigwheel status.

[nixeighty6]

Originally Posted by Quentin

Is your SVT Focus FI? If not, I'm unsure why you're all wound up about power.

+1

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by nixeighty6

+1

Post 46 guy

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

It isn't everything, but to many people especially in America where aside from routes and backroads the majority of our roads are long straight highway, it's a factor. Once I tore my the mods off my SVT and overtaking someone became an annoyance again it got me thinking. Dropping two gears and flooring it just to slowly creep your way up from 70 to 85 is a little more than annoying.
But as stated, power is a problem that can be remedied after the fact. Then again, so is handling and at a certain point (because we aren't all ballin'ass'rich) you've gotta ask yourself which is more costly. At least that's my dilemma.


Edit: to answer a question earlier, I had a Jackson Racing Supercharger on my SVT before I sold all my mods. (Just the regular JRSC kit, I decided to opt out of the Big Boost Kit for handling reasons)

You can not redesign the "mass" of the car, the chassis or the COG unless you significantly change it to like a tube chassis car. To which I doubt anyone will be doing.


My current ride weighs 2550lbs and is 320whp/330wtq and I still pick the less powerful FR-S over a GC or a Mustang if that tells you anything about my ideas of power not being what it's about. My current car would destroy an FR-S or GC around a track. So, my opinion is not tainted by power whatsoever. I already have power, I need something else in that bowl of mixture and that is the daily poise of an FR-S to fill the stable.

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

My current ride weighs 2550lbs and is 320whp/330wtq and I still pick the less powerful FR-S over a GC or a Mustang if that tells you anything about my ideas of power not being what it's about. My current car would destroy an FR-S or GC around a track. So, my opinion is not tainted by power whatsoever. I already have power, I need something else in that bowl of mixture and that is the daily poise of an FR-S to fill the stable.

The AS1 with 20 grand in mods would obliterate your tC, just sayin.. apples and oranges comparing a track car to a stock car.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by blur

The AS1 with 20 grand in mods would obliterate your tC, just sayin.. apples and oranges comparing a track car to a stock car.

You totally missed the point of my post.

On a side note: A guy with a Cayman S with 20 grand in it already....gave me the wave by at the track......just saying.

Ps...Not a track car, I just track it. Still street legal and streetable with off the shelf parts...nothing special.

[blur]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You totally missed the point of my post.

On a side note: A guy with a Cayman S with 20 grand in it already....gave me the wave by at the track......just saying.

Ps...Not a track car, I just track it. Still street legal and streetable with off the shelf parts...nothing special.

I just wanted to make that clear... also pass by's /= faster, I hope you realize this.

[nixeighty6]

so to be clear. you drive a car that is 170hp. It was 210whp ish, that was not necessary so you decided to sell your modes.. and now 200hp isn't enough?

[stott]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You can not redesign the "mass" of the car, the chassis or the COG unless you significantly change it to like a tube chassis car. To which I doubt anyone will be doing.


My current ride weighs 2550lbs and is 320whp/330wtq and I still pick the less powerful FR-S over a GC or a Mustang if that tells you anything about my ideas of power not being what it's about. My current car would destroy an FR-S or GC around a track. So, my opinion is not tainted by power whatsoever. I already have power, I need something else in that bowl of mixture and that is the daily poise of an FR-S to fill the stable.

i'm in the exact same boat (kind of)

i already have a 'fast' car. if i purchase the BRZ it will be my daily driver, replacing the duty of my 1984 car with no ac or heater, tons of squeaks and rattles, with something more civilized yet still fun to drive.

so it's not all about power. but still, value is important. and 200bhp for 28k is not even remotely good value. (i want the brz limited)

that's my personal dilemma

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You can not redesign the "mass" of the car, the chassis or the COG unless you significantly change it to like a tube chassis car. To which I doubt anyone will be doing.


My current ride weighs 2550lbs and is 320whp/330wtq and I still pick the less powerful FR-S over a GC or a Mustang if that tells you anything about my ideas of power not being what it's about. My current car would destroy an FR-S or GC around a track. So, my opinion is not tainted by power whatsoever. I already have power, I need something else in that bowl of mixture and that is the daily poise of an FR-S to fill the stable.

That is the main reason I'm still leaning towards the FRS. Truthfully, I feel in the long run with enough funding it's got much more potential, but it's likely to soon to bank on that.

[SVTSHC]

Originally Posted by nixeighty6

so to be clear. you drive a car that is 170hp. It was 210whp ish, that was not necessary so you decided to sell your modes.. and now 200hp isn't enough?

Lemme clear a few things up because you're missing the point. My SVT is FWD and what I was running with an open differential made me a torque steering wheel hopping superstar. I sold my mods cause I got out of college, plan to sell the car, and at the time needed the cash. So, no I don't feel the 200bHP the FRS comes with stock is enough.