Trade in RX8 for FR-S??

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Not sure about SoCal but I looked at San Fran and for the same standard of living as here in the Midwest I would need to make 2x as much. Not that feasible. Cool state to visit. But crappy housing market, high state taxes, crapy car regulations, horrible smog (SoCal), lots of traffic...etc. Cool to visit with a lot to do and lots of outdoor things to do. But I would rather live one state north of you.

yeah some places are bad. san fran is probably the most expensive place to live in america. im actually up north now and in humboldt i know you can get 2 bedroom apts in the 500 range. havent looked at buying because i dont want to ever leave socal but you can get pints of craft beers for like 2 bucks a pint in the bars. if you steer clear of the big cities i think its pretty cool

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah some places are bad. san fran is probably the most expensive place to live in america. im actually up north now and in humboldt i know you can get 2 bedroom apts in the 500 range. havent looked at buying because i dont want to ever leave socal but you can get pints of craft beers for like 2 bucks a pint in the bars. if you steer clear of the big cities i think its pretty cool

Cool. I have always liked northern Cali better personally from my visits.

I didn't mean Cali gets screwed on everything, just was referring to auto related items by my comment.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Cool. I have always liked northern Cali better personally from my visits.

I didn't mean Cali gets screwed on everything, just was referring to auto related items by my comment.

yeah i know what you mean but when you look at the amount of work it takes to make a dollar here you realize how little work it takes to get a nice car. i mean i have transporters at my hospital that drive audis, bmws, and evos. hell, i only work two days a week at most and i have three cars and a huge tuition but im not really in debt yet. although i did have to move back home to make it through school

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i cant tell if this is sarcasm but the frs has less tq than the rx8

I believe the bro is trying to sell his 2005 automatic rx8...I believe the engine in that car has 159 ft lbs of torque...so yeah just a bit more torque than the frs but the rx8 automatic weighed about 3039 pounds vs 2700 for a auto frs..

[ng01]

Keep in mind too, I'll be trading the RX8 in on a MANUAL FR-S (or BRZ)

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

I believe the bro is trying to sell his 2005 automatic rx8...I believe the engine in that car has 159 ft lbs of torque...so yeah just a bit more torque than the frs but the rx8 automatic weighed about 3039 pounds vs 2700 for a auto frs..

yeah then that complaint should be that its heavy, not no tq. i know what your saying but that kind of statement just makes me think that any subsequent statement is just internent babble that is passed on

[Fortunate Few]

It's the ratio.

[SUB-FT86]

I don't care what anyone says, I believe in torque 2 weight ratio even though I know gearing plays a massive part. Because the torque figures are so close in this situation(151 vs 159) then it all boils down to better gearing and weight but I think the FR-S might be the winner here but not by much.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by subatoy

trade in RX8 for FR-S???
lets see...

the FR-S...
-won't need a new engine every 50k miles.
-will get WAY more than 12 MPG.
-won't need oil every gas-tank refill.
-won't break down every 2 weeks.
-has more torque LOL!
-fixing it won't be as much as the rotary engine.
-it's lighter.
-doesn't have Ford parts.

what was the question again?

Responding in order:

- neither does the RX8
- So does the RX8
- neither does the RX8
- neither does the RX8
- No it doesn't
- Depends on what's being fixed
- True
- BFD

There are plenty of reasons the FT86 will be better without getting hyperbolic.

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't care what anyone says, I believe in torque 2 weight ratio even though I know gearing plays a massive part. Because the torque figures are so close in this situation(151 vs 159) then it all boils down to better gearing and weight but I think the FR-S might be the winner here but not by much.

Regardless of how important engine torque/vehicle weight is to you, subatoy listed them separately.

[A Gomez]

Originally Posted by Deslock

Responding in order:

- neither does the RX8
- So does the RX8
- neither does the RX8
- neither does the RX8
- No it doesn't
- Depends on what's being fixed
- True
- BFD

There are plenty of reasons the FT86 will be better without getting hyperbolic.


Regardless of how important engine torque/vehicle weight is to you, subatoy listed them separately.

100% agreed. Bashing other cars is uncalled for. I am sure RX-8 is a very nice car. That being said, the guy who started this thread seems to have alredy made up his mind.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I don't care what anyone says, I believe in torque 2 weight ratio even though I know gearing plays a massive part.

Torque to weight is next to meaningless. Not enough info. Power to weight *tells* you something and effectively takes gearing into account.

An L98 C4 Corvette has a "torque to weight" ratio of (3300+200 lb)/350 lb-ft = 10 lb/lb-ft
Power/weight = 3500lb/245hp = 14.3 lb/hp

An S2000 has a "torque to weight" ratio of (2800 +200 lb)/150 lb-ft = 20 lb/lb-ft
Power/weight = 3000lb/237hp = 12.7 lb/hp

The L98 Corvette has TWICE as good a "torque to weight" ratio, but is slower by about .5sec and 4mph in the 1/4. Power to weight tells the REAL story.

Power/weight is everything.
Torque to weight, with no other info, tells you nothing.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

yeah then that complaint should be that its heavy, not no tq. i know what your saying but that kind of statement just makes me think that any subsequent statement is just internent babble that is passed on

Since he is going manual fr-s then yeah his new ride will be almost 400 pounds less.

[SUB-FT86]

I never said power to weight ratio didn't matter. But the conversation wasn't about power.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

Since he is going manual fr-s then yeah his new ride will be almost 400 pounds less.

i know but that 400lbs doesnt change the tq. it changes the weight