Trade in RX8 for FR-S??

[Max Schnell]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

It's a common complaint with DI cars especially with DI FI cars. What do you have besides the M3? Cause none of the M3's have been direct injected yet, at least not until the tri-turbo M3 comes out. But yeah working for BMW I can tell you every motor other than the N51's (which still eat oil but only during the engine break-in and a little afterward once in a blue) drink down about a quart between LOF's. It's why we usually do top offs for free =/. My bro has a SHO and he said it's round about the same for him... I mean maybe I'm incorrect in saying it's a common symptom with all DI and DI FI cars but in my experience the bulk of them do it =/.

My 335xi is turboed N52 with DI. Does not drink oil so far with 30k on it. However, I am aware of BMW motors drinking oil in general. The E36 M3 eats about 1 quart every 1000miles. New M3 drinks oil, but then these are not even DI motors its just a german car thing because my friend's C63 takes a quart every 1k or so too. DI has the injector fouling problem that I heard of but the oil thing was news to me and not exactly good news at that.

I have not owned many cars in my life but none of the Japanese cars my family and I owned drink a drop of oil. Hopefully that remains true with the FR-S too. Mazda RX? all drink oil because of the rotary but I consider that car an exception to the rule because it is not a conventional motor.

I will test drive the FR-S and BRZ just to get a feel for when it comes. If it is as good as it seems I may sell the E36 M3 and get the FR-S or BRZ as my fun car. Would be nice to have a new car with no age related issues that I can thrash in autox and other racing venues.

[Yenadar]

Originally Posted by SVTSHC

it won't consume oil as much as an RX-8

I did some quick searches, and found several references that an oil burn rate of 1qt every 1,000 miles is acceptable and within spec for the flat 4.

This is presumably NOT intentional burn designed to be there.

This is also the same burn rate BY DESIGN of the RX-8.

Why does the 8 get so much oil hate?

Originally Posted by Slick

I never needed to have the motor changed but had to replace coils and the cat and it went through 3 sets of $400 spark plugs in 80,000kms.

Cat failure was because of coil failure, and plugs/coils/wires need replacing every 50,000kms napkin math, 30,000miles), and only cost $200 USD for all 12 pieces, 20 mins of work. Just plugs are $80 USD and 5 mins behind the driver's front wheel.

[random]

Originally Posted by ayau

keep in mind that there's a tax incentive to do a trade-in.

trade-in scenario:
frs: 23k
rx: 10k trade in value (just as an example)

cost of frs: 23-10= 13k

total cost of the frs is 13k + tax.

if you buy the frs at 23k msrp, then youre being taxed a lot more.

in the end, it might still be a better deal to sell it yourself, but it also becomes a hassle.

This depends on the state, because not all states allow this kind of tax benefit.

http://www.adamgoldfein.com/2010/06/...-when-trading/

[ayau]

Originally Posted by random

This depends on the state, because not all states allow this kind of tax benefit.

http://www.adamgoldfein.com/2010/06/...-when-trading/

didn't know this, but that's good info.

[ng01]

Appreciate all the responses guys! Merry Christmas!

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by random

This depends on the state, because not all states allow this kind of tax benefit.

http://www.adamgoldfein.com/2010/06/...-when-trading/

Seems like CA gets screwed again.

[Slick]

Originally Posted by Yenadar

Why does the 8 get so much oil hate?

Agreed, in the 4 years I had one, it didn't use that much oil considering all the hype, maybe a liter every 2-3 tanks (1000kms).

Originally Posted by Yenadar

Cat failure was because of coil failure, and plugs/coils/wires need replacing every 50,000kms napkin math, 30,000miles), and only cost $200 USD for all 12 pieces, 20 mins of work. Just plugs are $80 USD and 5 mins behind the driver's front wheel.

I know the cat was due to the coils, but coils should not fail at 20K (or even 50K!), big fail for Mazda on that one. If I kept the car, I would have done the GM Coil conversion.
And I never paid dealer pricing for their $400 plugs (paid $130 Cdn for a set locally), but still they are outrageously expensive at $32/plug vs $6-10 for other high-end plugs.

Back on topic though, be glad the FT will not have these issues.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Yenadar

I did some quick searches, and found several references that an oil burn rate of 1qt every 1,000 miles is acceptable and within spec for the flat 4.

This is presumably NOT intentional burn designed to be there.

This is also the same burn rate BY DESIGN of the RX-8.

Why does the 8 get so much oil hate?



Cat failure was because of coil failure, and plugs/coils/wires need replacing every 50,000kms napkin math, 30,000miles), and only cost $200 USD for all 12 pieces, 20 mins of work. Just plugs are $80 USD and 5 mins behind the driver's front wheel.

You have to change the spark plugs in the rx8 every 30k miles? Wow!

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Seems like CA gets screwed again.

Yep

[MrVito]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Seems like CA gets screwed again.

That really is a recurring theme there when it comes to new cars. Hey, at lest they can import cars sooner than we can at 15 years vs 25 years here, that counts for something, right?

[subatoy]

trade in RX8 for FR-S???
lets see...

the FR-S...
-won't need a new engine every 50k miles.
-will get WAY more than 12 MPG.
-won't need oil every gas-tank refill.
-won't break down every 2 weeks.
-has more torque LOL!
-fixing it won't be as much as the rotary engine.
-it's lighter.
-doesn't have Ford parts.

what was the question again?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by subatoy

trade in RX8 for FR-S???
lets see...

the FR-S...
-won't need a new engine every 50k miles.
-will get WAY more than 12 MPG.
-won't need oil every gas-tank refill.
-won't break down every 2 weeks.
-has more torque LOL!
-fixing it won't be as much as the rotary engine.
-it's lighter.
-doesn't have Ford parts.

what was the question again?

i cant tell if this is sarcasm but the frs has less tq than the rx8

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

Seems like CA gets screwed again.

thats not really too fair though since we make more money than just about everyone else. hell i make more than the national average for my profession and i work part time and ive only been in it for two years. dollar for dollar i could be buying an elise in california if i can barely afford an frs in nebraska...but yeah still blows

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by fatoni

thats not really too fair though since we make more money than just about everyone else. hell i make more than the national average for my profession and i work part time and ive only been in it for two years. dollar for dollar i could be buying an elise in california if i can barely afford an frs in nebraska...but yeah still blows

Not sure about SoCal but I looked at San Fran and for the same standard of living as here in the Midwest I would need to make 2x as much. Not that feasible. Cool state to visit. But crappy housing market, high state taxes, crapy car regulations, horrible smog (SoCal), lots of traffic...etc. Cool to visit with a lot to do and lots of outdoor things to do. But I would rather live one state north of you.