Is the tC still relevant?

[Marrk]

Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Why choose choose the tC engine over the FRS boxer?

1) I'm just not a boxer guy.

2) That tC engine is making some nice numbers, it is (as far as I know) less complicated and an inline-4 has everything to do with Toyota and its car making history.

3) The FRS engine will probably be fine. Or it could be the weak link of the whole production. Either way, it just doesn't do much for me.

[Sasquachulator]

IF anything the xD is the irrelevant Scion model.

If it were me I'd just make 2 versions of xB, the current one (big) and one similar to the first xB (small) to take over the xD's role. (so there's an xB and an xLB)

Then it'd be back to a 4 car lineup:

xB, tC, iQ, FRS.

And if Scion wants to expand some more, give em a small jeep like the original FJ's, and/or a small truck like the old Tacomas.

I think they'd have all the niches covered

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Marrk

This thread motivated me to look at the specs of the tC. Nice engine (180 hp/173 tq). Don't see why it couldn't have been massaged a little and dropped into the FRS. I would have been willing to give up a little of the much-touted low CofG for that torque number.

Hey, Toyota --->






On Topic: Why does the tC have to be irrelevant? I say: the more cars, the better.

The motor has the numbers but it just doesnt have a sporty feel to it. I guess you can call it 'lazy'. But then again Im comparing it to a high revving 2ZZ-GE (what's in my car) So im kind of biased. I wish i had that torque though, the 2zz-GE is a weakling down low.

[Snoopyalien24]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

IF anything the xD is the irrelevant Scion model.

If it were me I'd just make 2 versions of xB, the current one (big) and one similar to the first xB (small) to take over the xD's role.

Then it'd be back to a 4 car lineup:

xB, tC, iQ, FRS.

And if Scion wants to expand some more, give em a small jeep like the original FJ's, and/or a small truck like the old Tacomas.

I think they'd have all the niches covered

Yeah, I remember the rumors of the small Scion pickup they wanted to do.

[Quentin]

The FA20 sounds like it will be a much better sports car engine despite the lower torque figure. The AR 2.5L is a good engine, but it isn't inspiring or high revving. It is an undersquare engine which makes good torque, but they don't like to spin up quickly. That just doesn't scream sports car to me. It fits the tC pretty well because of the extra heft and not really trying to be a sports car. Plus, it is a pretty tall engine. I'm not certain it would fit under the hood. If we're putting an engine that tall in the FR-S, lets go ahead and put the 2GR-FSE in there.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Marrk

This thread motivated me to look at the specs of the tC. Nice engine (180 hp/173 tq). Don't see why it couldn't have been massaged a little and dropped into the FRS. I would have been willing to give up a little of the much-touted low CofG for that torque number.

Hey, Toyota --->






On Topic: Why does the tC have to be irrelevant? I say: the more cars, the better.

You can be the first and only to swap the tC engine into the FRS.

[Marrk]

Still stalking me, eh tranz.

[BioRage]

Price range, $25K FULL LOADED otd (Friend's) CDN.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Still stalking me, eh tranz.

Nope. Just responding to your statement.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

You can be the first and only to swap the tC engine into the FRS.

I would have opted that route as well. But the 2az, not the 2ar

[GenkiElite]

Was it ever relevant? They should have kept the Celica.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

I would have opted that route as well. But the 2az, not the 2ar

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

7800rpms, 500whp/500wtq....sorry you can facepalm all you want that would be a demon of a car...

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by tranzformer

I don't see females being all over a FRS/BRZ. Will there be some? Sure. Mostly those who are into cars/car enthusiasts. I personally don't see many females drive S2000s, 370z, or RX8s. I would say the split is like 80/20 in favor of males. The tC however I swear is 50/50 or even 40/60 in favor of women.

Hey tranz, did you happen to see this thread?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3082

and the translation did with the conversation from K. Tsuchiya?

Originally Posted by ichitaka

KT: Yes, balance is really well. This car doesn't have a certain genre.
AS: I hope that cool people will drive this car.
KT: I hope, pretty person will drive this car.
AS: Yeah, even the pretty lady. Even pretty lady driving this car, it'll still looks good.

They expect women to be attracted to it.