Innovate Stg1 Supercharger with W/M injection

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

You're at WOT at 2500rpm daily?

Some people like to pass people without down shifting., that's 45mph in 6th.

[vgi]

Originally Posted by Adeets

I think the idea that was perceived by this kit was it was going to make gobs of torque from the get go, but at 4k the vortech starts making flat linear torque that climbs way above this kit, my hope for this kit was to start out kicking vortechs ass in torque and keep it till 6k ish, what it does instead is has a lil flare right before 3.5, then the vortech seems to match it, then surpasses it, by a pretty significant margin.

I just think that this nonintercooled kit has been hyped way to much, and it's not really even a contender for the other options out there. If your worried about carb, go vortech, even the ugly flatliner tunes seem better then this. If your not worried by carb, go turbo, if you don't want lag go vortech. I'm not seeing where this kit has a market, what are the pros of it compared to the rest out there?

Maybe a market for people who think installing intercoolers is to hard? Well, they probably won't be buying a kit at all.

I may be wrong, but how about these from the top of my head:
- installation, nice and easy, no cutting/bending, easy to put back to stock
- maintenance, no need to take it out if you want to replace something upfront, service period is 30-35k vs 7k
- price point, almost 2k less
- the sound may be addictive for some

the car doesn't really need that much more power, it doea need torque though and this kit delivers a fairly good deal for those that DD their cars and don't plan on more power.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Some people like to pass people without down shifting., that's 45mph in 6th.

Laziness. From the very start, this car has been about shifting to keep it in the proper rev band. No reason why it should be different now.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

You're at WOT at 2500rpm daily?

If you ever want to pass a car on the highway without downshifting, the yes I suppose that's reasonable. The torque loss shown is just because they weren't wot yet. There's no way it makes less torque than stock anywhere, that's what the twin screw is all about lol.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

Laziness. From the very start, this car has been about shifting to keep it in the proper rev band. No reason why it should be different now.

It should be different because you bolted a freakin' supercharger to it lol. No one is debating whether its good power, just that there isn't anywhere near enough of it to compete with the alternatives.

[Calum]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

You're at WOT at 2500rpm daily?

Yes. And even if I'm not, that's about a third less power available for partial throttle passing, or just climbing a hill. Crap, I didn't even think about trying to climb a hill. Adding a mild FI kit shouldn't cause me to down shift to make it up a hill when I didn't have to before. Damn, I really was excited about this kit. Much like Robi's oil cooler/rad, I want to keep the FI simple. I was hoping 250-260 whp as the starting point, AND not loosing power anywhere. If that had to be the intercooled system so be it. Anyway, I've said my piece. I don't need to bag on a vendor's product anymore then this. I'm not the target audience for this kit. I thought I was, but clearly I'm not.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Calum

Yes. And even if I'm not, that's about a third less power available for partial throttle passing, or just climbing a hill. Crap, I didn't even think about trying to climb a hill. Adding a mild FI kit shouldn't cause me to down shift to make it up a hill when I didn't have to before. Damn, I really was excited about this kit. Much like Robi's oil cooler/rad, I want to keep the FI simple. I was hoping 250-260 whp as the starting point, AND not loosing power anywhere. If that had to be the intercooled system so be it. Anyway, I've said my piece. I don't need to bag on a vendor's product anymore then this. I'm not the target audience for this kit. I thought I was, but clearly I'm not.

again, this kit will not lose power anywhere in the rev band. the dyno operator clearly was not at wot until 3.5k or so in the dyno. it's not reasonable to believe that bolting on a positive displacement supercharger will lose power down low, unless the tuning is very, very bad.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

If you re-read the OP, you'll see that the 210rwhp you're quoting is on a low-reading dyno. Closer inspection puts the stock run at about 140rwhp. Assuming a 15% driveline loss, a stock BRZ should be around 160. Adjusting for the discrepancy, that puts his final numbers at over 240rwhp or roughly 282bhp.

innovate's dyno was on a dynojet. it made 211whp.

[Adeets]

Why wouldn't he be wot when he was in gear to make the pull, that makes no sense.

[TemeCal]

Originally Posted by jamesm

innovate's dyno was on a dynojet. it made 211whp.

Innovate also said this:

While we did make several stronger pulls, we felt our lowest single pull would best represent the low end of what one would likely experience with our turn-key stage 1 system

...they very well could have thrown up the highest dyno reading, but they didn't. This is also on a bone stock car.

[Adeets]

Originally Posted by TemeCal

Innovate also said this:



...they very well could have thrown up the highest dyno reading, but they didn't. This is also on a bone stock car.

And you honestly believe a company, who's financial security depends on this product selling is actually gonna post their lowest pull?

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by jamesm

innovate's dyno was on a dynojet. it made 211whp.

On an otherwise stock car, non-intercooled, with Cali 91 octane, and a "bulletproof" OTS tune. But if you want to write the kit off immediately, go ahead. I'll still have a big smile on my face.

[jamesm]

Originally Posted by Adeets

Why wouldn't he be wot when he was in gear to make the pull, that makes no sense.

he started the pull at 3.5k. the other pull started at lower revs. as soon as he opened it up around 3.5k the torque jumped up to where you'd expect it to be. very low, but where you'd expect it to be none the less.

edit: on second look, you are correct. it appears as though this thing is actually losing power below 3.2k or so. i was looking at the graph innovate posted. wow. i stand corrected.

[Draco-REX]

Originally Posted by Adeets

And you honestly believe a company, who's financial security depends on this product selling is actually gonna post their lowest pull?

I don't believe Innovate will go under if this kit doesn't sell.