FRS Ignition Key

[pkptd447]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

LOLOL! Actually it is more about saving a few quid on an option some of us do not see as required, enabling other options to be chosen - assuming a fixed budget - especially on a car that is supposed be 'affordable' and focused on the driving experience.

[2fast4you]

I've driven cars with push button starts... overrated.

Why I don't like them? 1) During last year's DEFCON conference here in Vegas, hackers were able to break in and start a car without the key fob. 2) No steering lock.

[Kunzite]

I don't understand why the complaining. It's not expensive, it won't break easily, it doesn't detract in any way from the driving experience and it's very convenient. The only "malfunctions" I've had were depleted batteries - those are quite easy to find, and even easier to change.
Probably you won't be able to chose anyway; either buy the cheaper model with the "classic" system, or a more expensive with smart entry&start and other such convenient tools.

Even cars with "classic" keys can suffer from engine immobilizer malfunctions.

About security... it depends, really. Rotating codes are a good way to prevent "hacking", and Toyotas aren't known to be easy to break into (Q: will this car use Toyota's or a Subaru keyless entry&start system?).
About steering lock: it's definitely present on my Auris; it can be heard working. It will deactivate/release the steering wheel with a push on the Start button, and it will activate after the engine is stopped, and a door opened.

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

LOLOL! Actually it is more about saving a few quid on an option some of us do not see as required, enabling other options to be chosen - assuming a fixed budget - especially on a car that is supposed be 'affordable' and focused on the driving experience.

Ok, I can sympathize on that, but you guys do know that in NA an average car is something in the neighborhood of $28k. So the BRZ Limited (from what we know) would be considered an average car. So...

Originally Posted by pkptd447

I get your point but who said anything about a smart key? a standard turn key ignition is fine and im willing to bet it has less chances of having any type of malfunction down the road.

and the price to replace is another factor although admittedly not as big. by the time the system malfunctions (if it ever does), itll be years down the road when push starts is more common in the market and the prices (hopefully) will be lower.

and lastly some people just prefer a turn key. its like the whole paddle vs stick thing. No matter how much more efficient/convenient/beneficial shift trannies are some people just preffer stick. I admit im biased towards turn key but not simply because of blind ignorance, there are legit reasons to prefer it.

Now I can fully understand someone's preference towards one thing or another as we all have our likes and dislikes. :happy0180:

[2fast4you]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

About security... it depends, really. Rotating codes are a good way to prevent "hacking", and Toyotas aren't known to be easy to break into (Q: will this car use Toyota's or a Subaru keyless entry&start system?).

If I remember correctly, Toyota and Subaru use the same rotating code system. A Subaru Outback was hacked via text message, and a Toyota was hacked via more traditional means at another hotel.

About steering lock: it's definitely present on my Auris; it can be heard working. It will deactivate/release the steering wheel with a push on the Start button, and it will activate after the engine is stopped, and a door opened.

It might just be GM cars, but it wasn't present in either the Corvette and Cadillacs I've driven.

[Kunzite]

Hacked via a text message? How on Earth is that possible?

Well, I'm not saying every car has steering lock with keyless entry; but Toyota does. IMO Toyota's is one of the better implementations

[slizoth]

I've never had a keyless entry system or push button start but it sounds worth it to me if done correctly.

Can I start my car from my living room through? ie through the wall to the garage?
Does the car stay running when I get in or put it into gear? Is it a seamless process?
Are there security risks? Steering wheel lock, "hackers", ect.
Cost breakdown? Setup, maintain, ect.
Will there be wireless interference? I want to listen to music via bluetooth, static?

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

Ok, I can sympathize on that, but you guys do know that in NA an average car is something in the neighborhood of $28k. So the BRZ Limited (from what we know) would be considered an average car. So...

Sure that is fair enough. If push-start comes as standard with the car then it is 'hidden' within the overall price and I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.
But in instances where it is an option and I can see it will cost X amount, I am going to think - stuff that, I can get this, that, or the other for that money.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by slizoth

I've never had a keyless entry system or push button start but it sounds worth it to me if done correctly.

Can I start my car from my living room through? ie through the wall to the garage?
Does the car stay running when I get in or put it into gear? Is it a seamless process?
Are there security risks? Steering wheel lock, "hackers", ect.
Cost breakdown? Setup, maintain, ect.
Will there be wireless interference? I want to listen to music via bluetooth, static?

smart key

within 2-3ft of the door the door unlocks itself as you pull the handle

15 ft away, it automatically locks

i think toyota uses the tech where the start codes change

sit in the car and press the start button the car turn on but the engine remains off, which mean you can use the radio n stuff

press the brake/clutch (auto/manny) and press the button the engine turns on

(some makers use this) emergency lights turn on in the case of an accident and the engine is turned off(less chance of fire)

all in all the system works well and is reliable, or it wouldnt be an option for many manufacturers...

in 5-9 years every car will have this tech...

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Khyron686

Any modern car has an immobilizer which makes the key $$$, but saves $$$ on insurance. I don't have push start/prox and a replacement key + programming is still 280 or so.

I also have yet to replace the battery in my fobs and it's been 10 years.

That is one of my peeves is the cost. I have a keyless entry remote and a chipped key for my Tacoma. I've crushed my remote when I crashed my moto and it was only $60 to replace. During the process, I wasn't a sitting duck while it was on order b/c I still had the turn key method ability. I've lost count of how many times my gf said to me, "what ever you do, pls DO NOT LOSE THIS blah blah" every time I borrow her car.

Don't get me wrong, I love new techology, my career is based on innovation. It's always wise to weigh the odds just in case something happens because you never know.

[Kunzite]

slizoth: Well, you're talking about two systems working together; the Smart Entry&Start (with which you can open the door if the key it's in close proximity, and start the engine if it's inside the car) and a remote engine start system that would allow you to - what else? - remotely start the engine, e.g. from your living room. I'm afraid I can't tell you anything about the remote engine start system; maybe more knowledgeable people can help.

I find the Smart Entry&Start very convenient, but I don't want a remote engine start; maybe, if I had a garage. I'm not sure if it's OK for the engine to warm up while idling, though.
An alternative - a Webasto heating system, but again I have no experience with those.

I've already said a thing or two about steering lock; once the engine is running, it won't stop if the key is no longer in range (e.g. you can leave the car taking the keys with you, and the engine will keep running). Not all cars will lock themselves if you go out of range (mine doesn't).

I have not noticed any interference, though it's said you should keep the key away from e.g. your cellphone.

[Argent6978]

I had a thought today about the whole keyless entry/start thing. Some day, in the not too distant future, we're all going to have chips implanted in our bodies that identify us to our vehicle, and the vehicle will know to open and start for us just by the presence of that chip, without the use of any key at all! Hell, remote start being an option could be a thing of the past, just think in your head that you want your car to start and be ready for you when you're going to leave, and it'll start just by you thinking it! Yes, someday my friends, someday, this is the kind of sci-fi thing that will be reality....

Okay, probably not in my lifetime, but it will be reality! :P LOL

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

slizoth: Well, you're talking about two systems working together; the Smart Entry&Start (with which you can open the door if the key it's in close proximity, and start the engine if it's inside the car) and a remote engine start system that would allow you to - what else? - remotely start the engine, e.g. from your living room. I'm afraid I can't tell you anything about the remote engine start system; maybe more knowledgeable people can help.

I find the Smart Entry&Start very convenient, but I don't want a remote engine start; maybe, if I had a garage. I'm not sure if it's OK for the engine to warm up while idling, though.
An alternative - a Webasto heating system, but again I have no experience with those.

I've already said a thing or two about steering lock; once the engine is running, it won't stop if the key is no longer in range (e.g. you can leave the car taking the keys with you, and the engine will keep running). Not all cars will lock themselves if you go out of range (mine doesn't).

I have not noticed any interference, though it's said you should keep the key away from e.g. your cellphone.

If the key is out of range and the engine is still running it will continue to run, but an audible beep will sound as you get out of range of the vehicle. I've done this many times at a valet as I forget that the key is in my pocket as I just grab a ticket and walk away. I've never done is personally, but I believe that if you walk far enough away with the engine running and completely forget about the key, the car will eventually shut itself off, but the doors will not lock. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody...

Also, after having had this option in my past several cars I can't see myself ever going back. It's just too damn convenient and simplifies my life multiple times a day. Again, I can see people having their opinions, but I really can't see people knocking it without ever having used it on a day to day basis. Really, it's one of those things that just make your life easier. Could you live without it? Sure you could, but why would you if there wasn't a true reason to opt out of it. Of course, cost is certainly an issue but usually this option is part of a larger package (unless you get an German/European car). So the cost objection is sorta moot. From the info we've seen so far the package includes several other goodies that most people want. But hey if you want to stick a metal object and turn it each and every time to unlock the doors and turn the ignition on, then go for it. I'd rather live with the convenience. I just hope that it won't slow me down too much and won't get in the way.

[slizoth]

Originally Posted by Kunzite

slizoth: Well, you're talking about two systems working together; the Smart Entry&Start (with which you can open the door if the key it's in close proximity, and start the engine if it's inside the car) and a remote engine start system that would allow you to - what else? - remotely start the engine, e.g. from your living room. I'm afraid I can't tell you anything about the remote engine start system; maybe more knowledgeable people can help.

I find the Smart Entry&Start very convenient, but I don't want a remote engine start; maybe, if I had a garage. I'm not sure if it's OK for the engine to warm up while idling, though.
An alternative - a Webasto heating system, but again I have no experience with those.

I've already said a thing or two about steering lock; once the engine is running, it won't stop if the key is no longer in range (e.g. you can leave the car taking the keys with you, and the engine will keep running). Not all cars will lock themselves if you go out of range (mine doesn't).

I have not noticed any interference, though it's said you should keep the key away from e.g. your cellphone.

Thanks, this is good info. I see now that Smart Entry and Remote Engine Starter are two different things. Warming up an engine while it idles in most vehicles is recommended, so is cooling it down by letting it idle before you shut the engine off. I like smart entry, I'd also like remote start, unfortunately if they are two different things instead of one Im a little disappointed.

Ideally, if I could buy the feature/radio and have it link to my phone that would be awesome. We already have hands free systems, why not a transmitter so I can remote control my car? Could be fun... just sayin