FRS Ignition Key

[SunnyD]

I've had the comfort access system in my M5 and although it was pretty convenient, I don't view it as a necessity. I can see why my wife values this feature since she hates digging through her purse for her keys, but I always keep mine in my front pocket. It's not a burden to reach into my pocket and pull the keys out to unlock/start the car.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

+1000000

Finally somebody who is telling it like it is!
I guess some people just don't like technology. Maybe they are really still using pagers! Lmao!

Scion if you are reading this, add proximity key with push start to the FR-S as an option!

Yes, please be an option.

How are you guys going to compare keys that have been in use for over 2,000 yrs to pagers that have been in use for about 10 yrs.

It is more convienent to start your car faster but guess what, you still have to manually open your car. I don't like push starts due to the fact that the key fob is so damn expensive to replace. I see the push start on the same level as paddle shifters and automatic transmissions. Lazy shit!

Originally Posted by LSxJunkie

Lazy. Yup. Because I don't want to have to put down 7 shopping bags in the rain to fish a key out of my pocket to open my tailgate.

My door unlocks when I touch the inside of the door handle. Wonderful, again, in the pouring rain when I'm running to the car.

Touch-entry is purely for laziness, not at all convenience.

I guess I'm too ol skool since I grew up in the 80's where everything in the car was manual; door locks, windows, heater and a/c controls, no power steering, no abs, no traction control, the ol skool 4-Hi and 4-Low shifter next to the 5 speed rough transmission on my old Toyota pickup.

[pkptd447]

Originally Posted by fistpoint

Push-button is just one more electronic part to pay for when it malfunctions...I'll take a key any day and the hundred/s of dollars it saved.

I have to agree with this one. Things like this will eventually break down, specially if you plan on keeping the car for life like i do.

[carbonBLUE]

Originally Posted by pkptd447

I have to agree with this one. Things like this will eventually break down, specially if you plan on keeping the car for life like i do.

push start doesnt break as mush as you might think it does, my friend put an s2000 push start on his z28 camero 8 years ago and it still works and has never shorted out, all it is is a button, you know how many people i know of who accidently bent their ignition keys falling on them, then tried to straighten it out put it in, and the key got stuck? too many... i prefer smart key w/ push start...

[zoomzoomers]

Originally Posted by pkptd447

I have to agree with this one. Things like this will eventually break down, specially if you plan on keeping the car for life like i do.

I honestly don't get these types of statements regarding the keyless go function. These devicese have the possibility to fail just like any other device on the car. Such as the smart key fobs (if a physical key is used) or anything else on the car. To say that you don't want an option on the car because the possibility it will fail it just plain dumb. I understand if you say that you prefer not to have the option, but come on...

This discussion about these options are getting ridiculous IMHO...

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

I honestly don't get these types of statements regarding the keyless go function. These devicese have the possibility to fail just like any other device on the car. Such as the smart key fobs (if a physical key is used) or anything else on the car. To say that you don't want an option on the car because the possibility it will fail it just plain dumb. I understand if you say that you prefer not to have the option, but come on...

This discussion about these options are getting ridiculous IMHO...

What is dumb is the cost to replace a smart key fob vs the cost to replace a keyless entry fob; almost triple.

Go ahead and offer it as an option so you guys can pay more but don't make it standard.

/thread

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Giccin

+1

Lazies!

Haters gonna hate.

[SVTSHC]

Keys these days aren't much cheaper than remote start keys these days anyway, because they've all got transponders in the heads. A difference of maybe $75-$100. When I had to replace the key for my focus a couple years back, it ended up costing me $300... The price hurts but I'd rather the security modern PAT systems offer compared to the, "jam a screw driver in the ignition barrel and jump the ignition relay" days of yesteryear.

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

I honestly don't get these types of statements regarding the keyless go function. These devicese have the possibility to fail just like any other device on the car. Such as the smart key fobs (if a physical key is used) or anything else on the car. To say that you don't want an option on the car because the possibility it will fail it just plain dumb. I understand if you say that you prefer not to have the option, but come on...

This discussion about these options are getting ridiculous IMHO...

Don't give me A/C, IT MIGHT BREAK DOWN!

[switchlanez]

Push start is not a passing fad. Its implementation by carmakers is only increasing; it's only a matter of time til it completely phases out the traditional turnkey.

It'll be an option so non-forward thinkers can opt out if they don't want to get with the times.

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

It'll be an option so non-forward thinkers can opt out if they don't want to get with the times.

LOLOL! Actually it is more about saving a few quid on an option some of us do not see as required, enabling other options to be chosen - assuming a fixed budget - especially on a car that is supposed be 'affordable' and focused on the driving experience.

[nixeighty6]

Originally Posted by switchlanez

Push start is not a passing fad. Its implementation by carmakers is only increasing; it's only a matter of time til it completely phases out the traditional turnkey.

It'll be an option so non-forward thinkers can opt out if they don't want to get with the times.

well said

[Khyron686]

Originally Posted by RRnold

What is dumb is the cost to replace a smart key fob vs the cost to replace a keyless entry fob; almost triple.

Go ahead and offer it as an option so you guys can pay more but don't make it standard.

/thread

Any modern car has an immobilizer which makes the key $$$, but saves $$$ on insurance. I don't have push start/prox and a replacement key + programming is still 280 or so.

I also have yet to replace the battery in my fobs and it's been 10 years.

[pkptd447]

Originally Posted by zoomzoomers

I honestly don't get these types of statements regarding the keyless go function. These devicese have the possibility to fail just like any other device on the car. Such as the smart key fobs (if a physical key is used) or anything else on the car. To say that you don't want an option on the car because the possibility it will fail it just plain dumb. I understand if you say that you prefer not to have the option, but come on...

This discussion about these options are getting ridiculous IMHO...

I get your point but who said anything about a smart key? a standard turn key ignition is fine and im willing to bet it has less chances of having any type of malfunction down the road.

and the price to replace is another factor although admittedly not as big. by the time the system malfunctions (if it ever does), itll be years down the road when push starts is more common in the market and the prices (hopefully) will be lower.

and lastly some people just prefer a turn key. its like the whole paddle vs stick thing. No matter how much more efficient/convenient/beneficial shift trannies are some people just preffer stick. I admit im biased towards turn key but not simply because of blind ignorance, there are legit reasons to prefer it.