FR-S to be priced at $22k and coming in Spring of 2012?

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

Yep, just extra weight that can be removed at a later date.

I wish the USDM FDs had backseats. I try to put some in but wouldn't work with the seatbelts I had

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I see that you guys dont know about the 2013 GC huh? Lets just wait and see then. The GC will have 270hp/270tq with a curb weight of 3290 lbs base. If the FT is 2700 lbs for example it will need 210hp/195-200tq to keep up. And I also laugh at you guys who say the GC is only about power and nothing else. If you hate its weight then fine but I have driven cars much heavier than mines and I love them way more than my car. Low weight doesn't always equal fun and Honda taught me that.

if thats the case then it wont be cheap considering the EVO and GC share very similar engines and have been developing and working together for 5+ years so I can't see Mitsu taking it lately when one of their partners goes and makes a car with similar numbers (power and weight) but RWD and at a fraction of the cost.

you didn't bring up any counter point other than you like the feel of heavy cars and that your FWD, econ engine powered automatic doesnt drive as well as a properly designed sports car. (tho the JDM ITR version is night and day compared to the base model)

Low weight equal better handeling/acceleration and Honda taught you that low weight plus a econ engine not geared for spirited driving equals no fun. Had you gotten the sporty version I think you would talk differently.


Also I use to hate hondas and thought they were no fun but drive yourself a ITR (Teggy or rsx version if you get a chance) or a swap crx/eg and you will really really enjoy power/weight

It isnt about power thats the point, your post and some of your others ones led me to believe you care about power especially since your retort includes the bold area which do nothing but compare power and talk about how the ft86 will need to keep up when really keep up in comparsion to what? If you meant drag racing then yes I agree but if you meant on a track than LOL okay compare 2 cars that arent out yet and say one if faster.

either way the GC I actually really like but it isnt what I want and I hate the tail lights (super lux lights are dope tho) plus when I 1st saw the numbers I was sooo let down since it was pretty much a Mitsubishi Eclipse (2G) without AWD (numbers are pretty much the same and they both used evo blocks)

I am however excited to see what comes from this rumour of a AWD 5.0 GC

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

So would you say that a 911 and a M3 are terrible sports cars for weighing in between 3200lbs-3600 lbs?

It's funny to me that most of the desired sports cars are over the 3k lb barrier including a Cayman S at 3,075 lbs.

No but they suck compared to their light weight versions where if you look the focus is not in power but weight loss and handeling.

in fact the csl e46 m3 only made 18hp more than the stock but loss 240 pounds and IMO the best BMW ever made since the e30

so while weight isnt everything it doesn count for ALOT since it pretty much makes everything better

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

if thats the case then it wont be cheap considering the EVO and GC share very similar engines and have been developing and working together for 5+ years so I can't see Mitsu taking it lately when one of their partners goes and makes a car with similar numbers (power and weight) but RWD and at a fraction of the cost.

you didn't bring up any counter point other than you like the feel of heavy cars and that your FWD, econ engine powered automatic doesnt drive as well as a properly designed sports car. (tho the JDM ITR version is night and day compared to the base model)

Low weight equal better handeling/acceleration and Honda taught you that low weight plus a econ engine not geared for spirited driving equals no fun. Had you gotten the sporty version I think you would talk differently.


Also I use to hate hondas and thought they were no fun but drive yourself a ITR (Teggy or rsx version if you get a chance) or a swap crx/eg and you will really really enjoy power/weight

It isnt about power thats the point, your post and some of your others ones led me to believe you care about power especially since your retort includes the bold area which do nothing but compare power and talk about how the ft86 will need to keep up when really keep up in comparsion to what? If you meant drag racing then yes I agree but if you meant on a track than LOL okay compare 2 cars that arent out yet and say one if faster.

either way the GC I actually really like but it isnt what I want and I hate the tail lights (super lux lights are dope tho) plus when I 1st saw the numbers I was sooo let down since it was pretty much a Mitsubishi Eclipse (2G) without AWD (numbers are pretty much the same and they both used evo blocks)

I am however excited to see what comes from this rumour of a AWD 5.0 GC




No but they suck compared to their light weight versions where if you look the focus is not in power but weight loss and handeling.

in fact the csl e46 m3 only made 18hp more than the stock but loss 240 pounds and IMO the best BMW ever made since the e30

so while weight isnt everything it doesn count for ALOT since it pretty much makes everything better

I'll answer the two bolded ones.

I have driven heavier cars with better handling than some -3000 lb cars. You say my focus is on horsepower? You clearly don't read all my post. My focus is mainly about TORQUE from a 2.0L. That's why I said if it made 200hp it would be nice if it came with 180-195 tq instead of the -145 tq that generally comes with 2.0L engines. I'm not a BIG Horsepower lover. The type S version of my car is not a big difference so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. It makes 40 more hp after 5500 rpms(I daily drive so how often would I feel that) and offers slightly better brakes with a tranny that loves to grind.


Now you say the lighter version of the 911 and M3 is faster and handles better because they have less weight but what you mainly fail to realize is that those car are clearly superior in hp/tq. A GT3 has 425 hp while a base Carrera has 345 hp. The only reason it's much better is because of the combination of weight/power, but mostly the power makes the bigger difference. For instance a base Corvette is lighter than a ZO6 but what really makes the big difference between them?

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

I don't think $22k is all that bad. Wasn't the S2000's base price like $31k?

I believe the S2000 started out at $32,xxx. However unfortunately no information has been leaked YET to indicate that the FT-86 will have performance on par (or better) than the S2000.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I believe the S2000 started out at $32,xxx. However unfortunately no information has been leaked YET to indicate that the FT-86 will have performance on par (or better) than the S2000.

There's always a trade-off. Gain a hardtop and lower CoG. Lose 50 horsepower. I've had my convertible fling, so I'm ready for the hardtop. I can deal with that for $8-10k less.

[WolfpackS2k]

I was just saying it's not a direct comparison. I didn't buy an S2000 b/c it was a convertible. I bought it b/c it is a fast, lightweight, RWD car with amazing handling that also has Honda reliability.

If Honda had sold a hard top version alongside the convertible I'm pretty sure I would have purchased it instead

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

if thats the case then it wont be cheap considering the EVO and GC share very similar engines and have been developing and working together for 5+ years so I can't see Mitsu taking it lately when one of their partners goes and makes a car with similar numbers (power and weight) but RWD and at a fraction of the cost.

True, but you can get a pretty loaded Sonata with the $1000 a/t standard and the 274hp engine for under $26k. I think the more important thing to look at is within Hyundai itself, not Mitsubishi. They're going to have a 208hp Veloster coming out in a year or so and letting your midsized sedan (Sonata) embarrass your sports car needs to be addressed. I think all stars point to the 2.0 getting the 274hp, but they're not leaking any information saying they're doing that.

either way the GC I actually really like but it isnt what I want and I hate the tail lights (super lux lights are dope tho) plus when I 1st saw the numbers I was sooo let down since it was pretty much a Mitsubishi Eclipse (2G) without AWD (numbers are pretty much the same and they both used evo blocks)

I am however excited to see what comes from this rumour of a AWD 5.0 GC

They said AWD isn't happening with this GC generation. So we MIGHT get AWD with the next. They're bringing an Elantra R-Spec with a 1.6l TGDI engine, so they're going to have to do something with the GC 2.0. I think I remember reading the first vehicles to have AWD will be the next generation Azera and GenSedan. Hyundai used to have a thing going with the same people that do the Quattro for Audi, but that was back in 2002. So heres hoping.

[swankins]

Originally Posted by 82mm 4g63

Why, because weight is the be all end all characteristic that determines car comparisons? I guess they should've never compared RX-7s to Supras with thier 600# difference. Or Supras to 3000GT VR4s with 450#s separating them.



I reeeeeally wish you were right, but nothing Hyundai has said supports your theory. "Modest gains for the 2.0T" doesn't mean 60hp, when they consider a 25hp jump with the v6 to be a large gain. The 2.0T is going to pickup maybe a couple HP, but I think it will lose some weight.



Have you seen one magazine comparison between those two? I haven't. The 2.0T isn't target'ed at the v6 Mustang. If you're so concerned with comparing apples to apples, then compare the v6 to the v6. 333hp v6 GC > 305hp v6 Mustang.

The 2.0t is the tuner car, what about that is so hard to comprehend? Look at the aftermarket support for both GCs. The GC v6 is for people like my uncle who want to buy a car that has a little pep from the factory with little to no interest in aftermarket support. Buying a turbocharged car is like buying a computer processor with an unlocked modifier. You spend a little more than the car is probably worth just for the ability to turn the dial.

Also, why don't we wait until final production specs before we talk about how huge or heavy the GC is compared to the FR-S?

I've owned the 2010 GC 2.0T and it was not at all "fast". It was a joy to drive but the quality for Hyundai is not worth it. Went to the dealers for numerous problems with my car in the first month of ownership.

1. Passenger window regulator failed
2. Wiring for the power doors failed. (I had to crawl through my trunk that day to open my own car)
3. Replacement of sunglasses visor (excessive vibration)
4. Weather strips on the window was falling off.
5. Countless visits to the dealer to fix my notchy transmission (standard). Never was fixed.

With a car that heavy, all that horsepower and torque helps but it still doesn't do much with the mileage. I am sure the FR-S will have decent mileage versus the GC.


Anyways, don't be too excited for the 2013. If you guys read the reactions to the new face-life on gencoupe.com. You will see that almost 90% of all commenters hate the new look. And it's not confirmed the 2.0t will get that much of a boost in horsepower.

[Geard]

Even Speedhunters is getting skittish about the possible cost!
The responses to the poll are as interesting and the general hope for price point!
Give your input people!

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...-the-fr-s.aspx

[SUB-FT86]

Everybody is saying less than 25k.

[Spaceywilly]

nice little Bell curve around 20-25k, with 52% right now selecting that. If Toyobaru did their market research they no doubt found the same conclusion, more and more it is looking like the C&D article is way off the mark. Just over a month now and we'll know for sure.

[Giccin]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Everybody is saying less than 25k.

I'm not sure if people are including the "after taxes" and all the registration fees, but 25k sounds right depending on where you live. 20-22k sounds like MSRP to me.

Tbh.. that poll could've been more specific. Lol

[Venom]

Why is it so cheap and I wonder what the final look of the car would be. Im buying either the Subaru or the Toyota not the scion

[Buggy51]

Originally Posted by Venom

Why is it so cheap and I wonder what the final look of the car would be. Im buying either the Subaru or the Toyota not the scion

... cheap? ... ?

Man... some people have very variable definitions on expenses... :/