Is the BRZ/FR-S/86 a sports car? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Captain Snooze · 07-09-2015, 06:46 PM

A forum member recently posted that the FR-S is not a sports car.
I thought this was interesting.
I read the definition at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car and whilst I thought the definition is accurate different cars can have varying degrees of "sportiness". At U.S.News they list the FR-S and BRZ as the equal 3rd (along with MX5) and 5th best affordable sports cars respectively. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...e-Sports-Cars/

I propose the BRZ/FR-S/86 are sports cars and would like to read discussion for and against.

TylerLieberman · 07-09-2015, 07:02 PM

Brb.

I'm gonna go change the definition on Wikipedia so everybody is wrong

Dream20b · 07-09-2015, 07:05 PM

Low cost of ownership means non sports car. Lol.

tahdizzle · 07-09-2015, 07:09 PM

I think the twins are sports cars.

But what are our options?

Muscle car? Luxury car? Exotic Car? Family Car? Sports car?

http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/2015/Subaru/Sport

This website labels the BRZ as a sports car.

I am sure there are plenty of people on this forum and in general will do the standard "Its a sporty car, but its not a sports car."

I think it fits the bill of a sports car, even in its 2+2 layout. Its not a fast sports car, but I believe it is a sports car.

cdrazic93 · 07-09-2015, 07:10 PM

My insurance definitely label it as a sports car.....

tahdizzle · 07-09-2015, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dream20b

Low cost of ownership means non sports car. Lol.

high cost of ownership is not a pre-requisite to be a sports car.

Now in general, sports cars have a higher cost of ownership.

And the cost of ownership varies on usage. Going through 5-6 sets of tires a year is on top of other consumables at the track = high cost of ownership.

Tcoat · 07-09-2015, 07:15 PM

I have been struggling with this since I bought the car and have decided to remain completely, positively and without a doubt, on the fence. Without one single iron clad definition of what constitutes a "sports car" we can debate the pros and cons all day and never reach a consensus. This has been hotly debated many times and I must admit I have argued the case for both sides depending upon what my particular thought was at that given time.
By the available classification definitions alone it is a sports car, grand touring car or even (gasp) a "pony" car. In it's stock form I think it is a hybrid of all three and really can't be slotted in any one group with 100% certainty but just a few mods could push individual cars into one of those three categories.
Just another page in the poor thing's identity crisis.

juliog · 07-09-2015, 07:32 PM

Spoon president made up his mind:

funwheeldrive · 07-09-2015, 07:45 PM

Why wouldn't it be a sports car?

Tcoat · 07-09-2015, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Why wouldn't it be a sports car?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89274

swarb · 07-09-2015, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juliog

Spoon president made up his mind:

Spoon has no credit on anything non-honda. They are hurting now they have zero non-fwd "sports cars" to develop or sell their average "race" products. So they make some socks and some aero mirrors. Instead of innovating, competing, and making products for the 86, they've decided they can't hang with the big boys of the aftermarket and threw in the towel.

soulreapersteve · 07-09-2015, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

My insurance definitely label it as a sports car.....

I wish my insurance didn't label it as a sports car. Would be much more cheaper in monthly payments!

Tcoat · 07-09-2015, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soulreapersteve

I wish my insurance didn't label it as a sports car. Would be much more cheaper in monthly payments!

Check out the rates for an Evo or Sti sometime if you want to feel better about what you pay.

soulreapersteve · 07-09-2015, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Check out the rates for an Evo or Sti sometime if you want to feel better about what you pay.

Yeah.... ~375 dollars for an STI. How these fellas around my age can afford it without having a decently paying job is beyond me! Probably go without no insurance, just like a lot of the Honda guys around here.

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07-09-2015, 06:46 PM	#1
Captain Snooze Because compromise ® Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Red Herring Location: australia Posts: 7,817 Thanks: 4,047 Thanked 9,548 Times in 4,194 Posts Mentioned: 60 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Is the BRZ/FR-S/86 a sports car? A forum member recently posted that the FR-S is not a sports car. I thought this was interesting. I read the definition at Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car and whilst I thought the definition is accurate different cars can have varying degrees of "sportiness". At U.S.News they list the FR-S and BRZ as the equal 3rd (along with MX5) and 5th best affordable sports cars respectively. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...e-Sports-Cars/ I propose the BRZ/FR-S/86 are sports cars and would like to read discussion for and against. __________________ My car is completely stock except for all the mods. Last edited by Captain Snooze; 07-09-2015 at 07:41 PM. Reason: typo

07-09-2015, 07:02 PM	#2
TylerLieberman Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: '24 GR86 Location: Arizona Posts: 3,686 Thanks: 658 Thanked 3,363 Times in 1,584 Posts Mentioned: 16 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Brb. I'm gonna go change the definition on Wikipedia so everybody is wrong __________________ Old 2013 FRS Build Thread (SOLD) Hakone 86 GR Build Thread (SOLD)

07-09-2015, 07:05 PM	#3
Dream20b Y u do dis? Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S Location: Northbrook, IL Posts: 465 Thanks: 832 Thanked 194 Times in 107 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Low cost of ownership means non sports car. Lol. __________________ Dat Hot Lava Doe Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Everything you said was completely and utterly the ramblings of a babbling idiot regurgitating garbage from his mouth. Everyone here is now dumber from reading your post. Please die now.

07-09-2015, 07:10 PM	#5
cdrazic93 Junior Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: a car Location: Probably at school Posts: 4,341 Thanks: 3,184 Thanked 2,512 Times in 1,502 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My insurance definitely label it as a sports car..... __________________ "Ah! What music! They could have never imagined, those pioneers who invented the automobile, that it would posses us like this, our imaginations, our dreams. Men love women, but even more than that, men love CARS!"-Lord Hesketh

07-09-2015, 07:15 PM	#7
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,294 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	I have been struggling with this since I bought the car and have decided to remain completely, positively and without a doubt, on the fence. Without one single iron clad definition of what constitutes a "sports car" we can debate the pros and cons all day and never reach a consensus. This has been hotly debated many times and I must admit I have argued the case for both sides depending upon what my particular thought was at that given time. By the available classification definitions alone it is a sports car, grand touring car or even (gasp) a "pony" car. In it's stock form I think it is a hybrid of all three and really can't be slotted in any one group with 100% certainty but just a few mods could push individual cars into one of those three categories. Just another page in the poor thing's identity crisis. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar. Last edited by Tcoat; 07-09-2015 at 07:28 PM.

07-09-2015, 07:45 PM	#9
funwheeldrive Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: BANNED FOR TELLING THE TRUTH Location: MODS ARE ON A POWER TRIP Posts: 3,447 Thanks: 7,830 Thanked 3,022 Times in 1,409 Posts Mentioned: 38 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Why wouldn't it be a sports car?

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