Tuning is being threatened

[cycleboy]

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/20/a...s-car-repairs/

This doesn't sound good...

[Blu-by-U]

Originally Posted by cycleboy

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/04/20/a...s-car-repairs/

This doesn't sound good...

Read this article on CNN Money. They tried this many years ago and Congress said "NO". This is a different approach though, they might just get away with copyrighting.

[weederr33]

This is kinda like the Apple case about jailbreaking your phone...

[JimmyMac]

Just don't buy a new car if it would ever be passed...

[Tromatic]

Lets see how this one goes. Lets go for a lock!

[tyrantcf]

This has already been posted in the other vehicles off topic section fyi. I don't believe for a second though that this will effect any tuning people will do.

In CA, removing any working catalytic converter is illegal, but we still do it and companies still offer products that violate this law.

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

This has already been posted in the other vehicles off topic section fyi. I don't believe for a second though that this will effect any tuning people will do.

In CA, removing any working catalytic converter is illegal, but we still do it and companies still offer products that violate this law.

Except that this will be on a Fed level and manufacturers will be hitting every software and hardware tuner with DMCA cease-and-desist claims. GM even wants to make the act of copying/reading a ROM a violation.

[tyrantcf]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Except that this will be on a Fed level and manufacturers will be hitting every software and hardware tuner with DMCA cease-and-desist claims. GM even wants to make the act of copying/reading a ROM a violation.

And they'll be getting around it by saying "for competition use only."

I can't see this happening though anyway. If it did, I'd consider moving to Canada

[Tromatic]

Originally Posted by tyrantcf

And they'll be getting around it by saying "for competition use only."

LOL, good luck with that.

[Wayno]

This is the third repost of this shit

[cycleboy]

Sorry, didn't mean to rankle anyone. I checked a couple of the sub forums and didn't find it. There are too many locations here to know where to look. Next time I'll just keep it to myself.

[BRZoomTX]

Originally Posted by cycleboy

Sorry, didn't mean to rankle anyone. I checked a couple of the sub forums and didn't find it. There are too many locations here to know where to look. Next time I'll just keep it to myself.

Ignore them, nothing wrong with sharing information. If a mod doesn't want this thread here they'll delete or close it.

Regarding the article, its just a bunch of BS. Even if it does pass, there are ways to legally get around the requirements without affecting tuning. We'll be fine for the foreseeable future.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Except that this will be on a Fed level and manufacturers will be hitting every software and hardware tuner with DMCA cease-and-desist claims. GM even wants to make the act of copying/reading a ROM a violation.

... and it'll end up in front of the Supreme Court.

If the ECU is a copyright, then what happens when someone wants to sell a car? Will that copyright need additional paperwork to transfer?

I don't think this will end anytime soon nor will it have any effect on us for a long time.

From a different source, I found this to be surprisingly relevant to the issue at hand:

http://keionline.org/node/1574
Justice Breyer commenting during a Supreme Court case (Kirtsaeng v. John Wiley & Sons) in 2012:

JUSTICE BREYER: -- imagine Toyota, all right? Millions sold in the United States. They have copyrighted sound systems. They have copyrighted GPS systems. When people buy them in America, they think they're going to be able to resell them.
Now, under your reading -- now, this is one of their horribles, I gather, and I want to know your answer to it. Under their reading, the millions of Americans who buy Toyotas could not resell them without getting the permission of the copyright holder of every item in that car which is copyrighted?
MR. OLSON: There may be -*
JUSTICE BREYER: Is that right?
MR. OLSON: There may be just -*
JUSTICE BREYER: Am I right or am I wrong? Am I off base or am I wrong -- am I right?
MR. OLSON: There are other defenses, but that is not this case. This case is not -*
[...]
JUSTICE BREYER: Now, explain to me, because they're horribles if I summarize them, millions and millions of dollars' worth of items with copyrighted indications of some kind in them that we import every year; libraries with three hundred million books bought from foreign publishers that they might sell, resale, or use; museums that buy Picassos that now, under our last case, receive American protection as soon as that Picasso comes to the United States, and they can't display it without getting permission from the five heirs who are disputing ownership of the Picasso copyrights.
Those are some of the horribles that they sketch. And if I am looking for the bear in the mouse hole, I look at those horribles, and there I see that bear.
So I'm asking you to spend some time telling me why I'm wrong.
MR. OLSON: Well, I'm -- first of all, I would say that when we talk about all the horribles that might apply in cases other than this -- museums, used Toyotas, books and luggage, and that sort of thing - *we're not talking about this case. And what we are talking about is the language used by the statute that does apply to this case. And that -*
JUSTICE KENNEDY: But you have to look at those hypotheticals in order to decide this case.
MR. OLSON: Well, and that's -*
JUSTICE KENNEDY: You're aware of the fact that if we write an opinion with the -- with the rule that you propose, that we should, as a matter of common sense, ask about the consequences of that rule. And that's what we are asking.

The last part is key. This is so broad that it will impact the fundamental way(s) in which people will go about buying/selling/owning anything with a copyright on it.

If this is the case, you can't ever sell anything that has a copyright without the consent of the copyright owner. How absurd is that?

-alex

[BRZoomTX]

^ sums it up really.