Can I rant about these fuel pump replacements? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

radroach · 02-20-2015, 11:39 PM

I've seen some members who've gone through every revision of fuel pump replacement since 2013 to try and silence the DI crickets. Somewhere posted is the price for the replacement part and it's over $1000 a pop, and it doesn't do JACK CRAP to fix the problem. I'm still on my OM fuel pump and it works fine as I can tell, though has crickets when it gets hot or perhaps bad gas.

So I'm asking, what is SOA doing throwing away money on this problem? They'll honor warranty work on something that doesn't do anything to fix the problem, but they'll deny warranty work for other problems?

Post your concerns if any. I know I'm stirring the shit but there has to be something said about this.

humfrz · 02-21-2015, 12:17 AM

Well, those of us who were born and raised with engines with solid lifters, may not be as perturbed with the DI sound, because, it seems we always had at least one tappet out of adjustment. In fact, if they didn't make a little "chatter" they may be adjusted too tight (a bad thing).

OR ..... maybe we are old and just don't hear too good anymore......

humfrz

Tcoat · 02-21-2015, 12:45 AM

I agree totally that people getting multiple pumps are wasting time and money.
But...eventually one of the changes (notice the word used is not "fixes") may just do the trick so somebody has to try them. The sad part is that even if a new pump eliminates the noise it will be hard to know for sure since it is so sporadic in the first place.

Alltezza · 02-21-2015, 01:04 AM

I had crickets too but I posted somewhere about it.

But all I did was use the Lucas fuel cleaner. I haven't heard any crickets ever since. Try that and let us know if it fixes anything.
Just drive to your local autozone or something. I just posted a link for you to reference. I don't know if you wanna spend almost 30 bucks for something like this when you can go to autozone and buy a smaller size one.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Lucas-10013-Fuel-Treatment-Gallon/dp/B000FW7V50/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424494801&sr= 1-1"]Amazon.com: Lucas 10013 Fuel Treatment - 1 Gallon: Automotive[/ame]

I haven't tried to royal purple one but I might give that a go next.

[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Purple-11722-Max-Clean-Stabilizer/dp/B00B1VBQRS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424494941&sr= 1-1&keywords=royal+purple+fuel+system+cleaner"]Amazon.com: Royal Purple 11722 Max-Clean Fuel System Cleaner and Stabilizer - 20 oz. Bottle: Automotive[/ame]

Tcoat · 02-21-2015, 01:15 AM

We have heard all the "fixes" and although some seem to work for some people there is no magic wand!

Porcupint · 02-21-2015, 01:27 AM

They're not crickets. They're character. I know some WRX owners that are damn jealous of my cri..character.

roddy · 02-21-2015, 08:09 AM

DI pumps click/clatter...been that way forever. I can accept and live with that as it is just the nature of the beast. However, the squeak/cricket noise is not, and that is the sound that drives me up the wall.

Damn crickets...

BRZnut · 02-21-2015, 09:27 AM

I agree..... does not make sense to take the chance of the dealer messing up your car by replacing the fuel pump when the crickets will come right back. As I have posted before, I rarely hear them with the 2 cycle TCW-3 oil additive.

Poodles · 02-21-2015, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alltezza

I had crickets too but I posted somewhere about it.

But all I did was use the Lucas fuel cleaner. I haven't heard any crickets ever since. Try that and let us know if it fixes anything.
Just drive to your local autozone or something. I just posted a link for you to reference. I don't know if you wanna spend almost 30 bucks for something like this when you can go to autozone and buy a smaller size one.

Amazon.com: Lucas 10013 Fuel Treatment - 1 Gallon: Automotive

I haven't tried to royal purple one but I might give that a go next.

Amazon.com: Royal Purple 11722 Max-Clean Fuel System Cleaner and Stabilizer - 20 oz. Bottle: Automotive

Far too expensive for this crap...

radroach · 02-21-2015, 03:22 PM

Staying on topic, my point is that Subaru is shelling out a thousand for each fuel pump replacement (parts cost plus labor). Are 86 owners subsidizing these costs with the purchase of their vehicle?

Alltezza · 02-21-2015, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poodles

Far too expensive for this crap...

Yeah you can just go to your local auto-zone and get the same lucas one that I linked but in a smaller size for 10 bucks. I don't think that's very expensive, especially considering going through the dealership and having them fix it. Only for you to discover crickets again.

I was just saying give it a shot and see how it goes, it worked for me. And I hope it works everybody else. I know it shouldn't have came like that from the factory and all but I'd rather spend the 10 dollars than go through the dealership headaches.

Poodles · 02-21-2015, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alltezza

Yeah you can just go to your local auto-zone and get the same lucas one that I linked but in a smaller size for 10 bucks. I don't think that's very expensive, especially considering going through the dealership and having them fix it. Only for you to discover crickets again.

I was just saying give it a shot and see how it goes, it worked for me. And I hope it works everybody else. I know it shouldn't have came like that from the factory and all but I'd rather spend the 10 dollars than go through the dealership headaches.

Lucas in general is "crap."

I'd try ashless premix oil, but Lucas isn't touching my car...

Ultramaroon · 02-21-2015, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radroach

Staying on topic, my point is that Subaru is shelling out a thousand for each fuel pump replacement (parts cost plus labor). Are 86 owners subsidizing these costs with the purchase of their vehicle?

I think hundreds of thousands of previous owners subsidized these costs not only for our cars but for warranty work, recalls, non-recoverable engineering overhead, blah, blah, blah across all of Toyota's and Fuji's vast product line.

Granted, it wasn't anticipated but someone would have already redesigned the pump if it was determined to be the less costly route.

themadscientist · 02-22-2015, 12:35 AM

So, it's an annoying noise, but just a noise? If I decide to just turn up the stereo or get a louder muffler and roll there's no mechanical problems coming?

Premix you say? I just moved out of an RX7 so I've got plenty of premix oil and the willingness to use it if it truly prevents the noise.

02-20-2015, 11:39 PM	#1
radroach Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: car Location: usa Posts: 2,162 Thanks: 1,028 Thanked 867 Times in 530 Posts Mentioned: 35 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Can I rant about these fuel pump replacements? I've seen some members who've gone through every revision of fuel pump replacement since 2013 to try and silence the DI crickets. Somewhere posted is the price for the replacement part and it's over $1000 a pop, and it doesn't do JACK CRAP to fix the problem. I'm still on my OM fuel pump and it works fine as I can tell, though has crickets when it gets hot or perhaps bad gas. So I'm asking, what is SOA doing throwing away money on this problem? They'll honor warranty work on something that doesn't do anything to fix the problem, but they'll deny warranty work for other problems? Post your concerns if any. I know I'm stirring the shit but there has to be something said about this. Last edited by radroach; 02-20-2015 at 11:54 PM.

02-21-2015, 12:45 AM	#3
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,295 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	I agree totally that people getting multiple pumps are wasting time and money. But...eventually one of the changes (notice the word used is not "fixes") may just do the trick so somebody has to try them. The sad part is that even if a new pump eliminates the noise it will be hard to know for sure since it is so sporadic in the first place. __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

02-21-2015, 01:15 AM	#5
Tcoat Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: London, Ont Posts: 69,841 Thanks: 61,656 Thanked 108,295 Times in 46,456 Posts Mentioned: 2499 Post(s) Tagged: 50 Thread(s)	We have heard all the "fixes" and although some seem to work for some people there is no magic wand! __________________ Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.

02-21-2015, 08:09 AM	#7
roddy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: '13 Ultramarine Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 2,243 Thanks: 1,476 Thanked 1,165 Times in 685 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	DI pumps click/clatter...been that way forever. I can accept and live with that as it is just the nature of the beast. However, the squeak/cricket noise is not, and that is the sound that drives me up the wall. Damn crickets... __________________ no man with a good car needs to be justified...

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humfrz Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S, white, MT Location: Puyallup, WA Posts: 30,432 Thanks: 29,826 Thanked 32,845 Times in 16,844 Posts Mentioned: 715 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Well, those of us who were born and raised with engines with solid lifters, may not be as perturbed with the DI sound, because, it seems we always had at least one tappet out of adjustment. In fact, if they didn't make a little "chatter" they may be adjusted too tight (a bad thing). OR ..... maybe we are old and just don't hear too good anymore...... humfrz

02-21-2015, 01:04 AM	#4
Alltezza Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Drives: WRB Limited BRZ Location: Tennessee Posts: 696 Thanks: 450 Thanked 276 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I had crickets too but I posted somewhere about it. But all I did was use the Lucas fuel cleaner. I haven't heard any crickets ever since. Try that and let us know if it fixes anything. Just drive to your local autozone or something. I just posted a link for you to reference. I don't know if you wanna spend almost 30 bucks for something like this when you can go to autozone and buy a smaller size one. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Lucas-10013-Fuel-Treatment-Gallon/dp/B000FW7V50/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424494801&sr= 1-1"]Amazon.com: Lucas 10013 Fuel Treatment - 1 Gallon: Automotive[/ame] I haven't tried to royal purple one but I might give that a go next. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Purple-11722-Max-Clean-Stabilizer/dp/B00B1VBQRS/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1424494941&sr= 1-1&keywords=royal+purple+fuel+system+cleaner"]Amazon.com: Royal Purple 11722 Max-Clean Fuel System Cleaner and Stabilizer - 20 oz. Bottle: Automotive[/ame]

02-21-2015, 01:27 AM	#6
Porcupint Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Drives: 13 GBS BRZ Location: TX Posts: 446 Thanks: 447 Thanked 233 Times in 144 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	They're not crickets. They're character. I know some WRX owners that are damn jealous of my cri..character.

02-21-2015, 09:27 AM	#8
BRZnut Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: BRZ DGM Limited Location: USA Posts: 1,237 Thanks: 5 Thanked 431 Times in 250 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I agree..... does not make sense to take the chance of the dealer messing up your car by replacing the fuel pump when the crickets will come right back. As I have posted before, I rarely hear them with the 2 cycle TCW-3 oil additive.

02-21-2015, 03:22 PM	#10
radroach Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: car Location: usa Posts: 2,162 Thanks: 1,028 Thanked 867 Times in 530 Posts Mentioned: 35 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Staying on topic, my point is that Subaru is shelling out a thousand for each fuel pump replacement (parts cost plus labor). Are 86 owners subsidizing these costs with the purchase of their vehicle?

02-22-2015, 12:35 AM	#14
themadscientist Hotlink Terrorist Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2015 WRB BRZ Spec S Location: "Dirty South" Japan Posts: 2,077 Thanks: 1,525 Thanked 2,624 Times in 1,196 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So, it's an annoying noise, but just a noise? If I decide to just turn up the stereo or get a louder muffler and roll there's no mechanical problems coming? Premix you say? I just moved out of an RX7 so I've got plenty of premix oil and the willingness to use it if it truly prevents the noise.

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