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connorlug · 02-13-2015, 04:32 PM

Hey guys, really need some input on this since I can't make up my mind.

Looking at EL headers, I auto-x, track, and daily drive my car. I can't make up my mind between spending $1200 on the Nameless EL and spending ~900 or so on the P&L EL. Their isn't too much dyno info out there going from an unmolested car to a car with just the header on, many are skewed by other aftermarket parts.

So do I spend the extra dough for the nameless or settle with the P&L? Car will be staying N/A.

Opinions appreciated!!

JB86'd · 02-13-2015, 04:36 PM

If you're tracking and doing autox you should definitely budget in there for a tune if you haven't already, you'll be running safer and optimized for power.
Also, any reason JDL isn't part of your options?

DAEMANO · 02-13-2015, 04:39 PM

I don't think buying the P&L is settling in any way. Keep in mind the OEM header is an EL with a cat. Most aftermarket catless EL headers perform at a similar level to the stock header with the cat removed. Which header has the features you want at an acceptable quality level? Buy that one no matter the cost.

yomny · 02-13-2015, 04:41 PM

The best midrange power is JDL, but i think its the UEL. Regardless just get a Tomei and a good tune then the rest of the money on track days. Honestly speaking i dont think the 1k+ priced headers are worth all that money unless you're comparing them to the really cheap ebay ones out there.

Fakk · 02-13-2015, 05:40 PM

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71715

AZbrz89 · 02-13-2015, 06:19 PM

Skunk2 EL headers are great! Installed with no cat and no CEL afterwards.

BatStig · 02-13-2015, 07:52 PM

I absolutely LOVE my JDL EL catted header.

B-R-Z · 02-13-2015, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AZbrz89

Skunk2 EL headers are great! Installed with no cat and no CEL afterwards.

That's just luck, or it didn't come on yet. There's nothing about a brand of pipe that would cause one uncatted header to have a CEL and the other not. If you just installed the header, you will probably see it after about 1000 miles. That's how long it took for mine to come on (before getting my tune).

AZbrz89 · 02-13-2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by B-R-Z

That's just luck, or it didn't come on yet. There's nothing about a brand of pipe that would cause one uncatted header to have a CEL and the other not. If you just installed the header, you will probably see it after about 1000 miles. That's how long it took for mine to come on (before getting my tune).

I have full exhaust with the headers now installed. It went right on with ease so... I like it.

cdrazic93 · 02-13-2015, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AZbrz89

Skunk2 EL headers are great! Installed with no cat and no CEL afterwards.

youll get that CEL soon. Not a matter or what, just a matter of when.

AZbrz89 · 02-14-2015, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cdrazic93

youll get that CEL soon. Not a matter or what, just a matter of when.

I'm getting tuned next month for my KW c38 kit! Thanks for the heads up!

aznatama · 02-14-2015, 01:23 AM

P&L EL catted and coated header + Delicious Tuning tune. Very happy with it.

P&L uses thicker scheduling piping since it's designed for their turbo kit.

Stock is not a true EL, still slightly UEL afaik.

You'll need a tune. don't be dumb.

Decay107 · 02-14-2015, 01:29 AM

I have Nameless, very satisfied. Great midrange starting about 4k rpms.

Lunatic · 02-14-2015, 01:57 AM

Check out the Top Speed EL catless header. Love mine, quality built, fit perfectly, and under 400 bucks.

02-13-2015, 04:32 PM	#1
connorlug Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: #1553 10 Series FRS Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 85 Thanks: 11 Thanked 39 Times in 23 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Headers, headers, headers... Hey guys, really need some input on this since I can't make up my mind. Looking at EL headers, I auto-x, track, and daily drive my car. I can't make up my mind between spending $1200 on the Nameless EL and spending ~900 or so on the P&L EL. Their isn't too much dyno info out there going from an unmolested car to a car with just the header on, many are skewed by other aftermarket parts. So do I spend the extra dough for the nameless or settle with the P&L? Car will be staying N/A. Opinions appreciated!!

02-13-2015, 04:36 PM	#2
JB86'd Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: JAWS Location: socal Posts: 703 Thanks: 753 Thanked 437 Times in 224 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	If you're tracking and doing autox you should definitely budget in there for a tune if you haven't already, you'll be running safer and optimized for power. Also, any reason JDL isn't part of your options? __________________

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yomny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: 2013 FRS Whiteout Location: MIA Posts: 1,545 Thanks: 557 Thanked 469 Times in 340 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	The best midrange power is JDL, but i think its the UEL. Regardless just get a Tomei and a good tune then the rest of the money on track days. Honestly speaking i dont think the 1k+ priced headers are worth all that money unless you're comparing them to the really cheap ebay ones out there. __________________ GTX2867R, moto-tuned , tomei op , motiv fp , Invidia Q300 ti , Rota titan 17x9 +42 , nt555 255/40 , ST coilovers w/cascam , Hotchkis sways

02-14-2015, 01:23 AM	#12
aznatama Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 BRZ MT (Sold); 2006 V70R Location: Fairfax Posts: 873 Thanks: 10 Thanked 186 Times in 150 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	P&L EL catted and coated header + Delicious Tuning tune. Very happy with it. P&L uses thicker scheduling piping since it's designed for their turbo kit. Stock is not a true EL, still slightly UEL afaik. You'll need a tune. don't be dumb. __________________ '14 BRZ LTD MT DGM

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02-13-2015, 06:19 PM	#6
AZbrz89 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Drives: 14 BRZ Crystal Black Silica Limited Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 190 Thanks: 23 Thanked 19 Times in 18 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Skunk2 EL headers are great! Installed with no cat and no CEL afterwards.

02-13-2015, 07:52 PM	#7
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