Toyota GT86 CS-R3 rally car detailed, goes on sale Q1 2015 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

vh_supra26 · 07-30-2014, 09:39 AM

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Engine upgraded to 240-250 bhp

Toyota has introduced today the GT 86 CS-R3 rally car which will be seen in action next month during the ADAC Rallye Deutschland.

An evolution of the road-going car, the track-only derivative was developed by Toyota Motorsport GmbH (TMG) to meet FIA R3 class requirements. Output of the horizontally-opposed four-cylinder 2.0-liter boxer engine was bumped from 197 bhp (147 kW) to 240-250 bhp (179-186 kW) by modifying the engine's software and tweaking the cam-lift and compression ratio.

Power is channeled to the rear wheels through a sequential 6-speed transmission and a limited-slip differential with variable ramp settings. It adopts a HJS racing exhaust and exhaust manifold, MacPherson front & double wishbone rear suspension and sits on OZ 17-inch (for tarmac) and 15-inch (for gravel) wheels while inside there's a FIA-homologated lightweight R3 safety cage. The road-legal Toyota GT 86 has a curb weight of 1,275 kg (2,811 lbs) but the CS-R3 version has a minimum regulated weight of 1,080 kg (2,381 lbs).

It will be seen in action for the first time in August during the ninth round of the FIA World Rally Championship where it will act as the official "pathfinder" car and will be driven through all stages of the ADAC Rallye Deutschland.

Toyota says customer deliveries of the GT86 CS-R3 will begin in the first quarter of 2015 at a starting price similar to other R3 cars.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11407307...n-sale-q1-2015

Eurasianman · 07-30-2014, 10:14 AM

So... why can't Toyobaru do this for the twins? Wonder how this will affect the engine's longevity and reliability, if at all.

jvincent · 07-30-2014, 10:21 AM

Because real racecar.

Don't expect the engine to be super reliable. Its goal is to last a race, at which point it probably gets rebuilt or replaced.

DarkSunrise · 07-30-2014, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Eurasianman

So... why can't Toyobaru do this for the twins? Wonder how this will affect the engine's longevity and reliability, if at all.

If I'm not mistaken, FIA R3 regulations allow 98 octane or E85. You couldn't bump the compression ratio without it. It's just not feasible to market a production car that requires e85 or 98 octane all the time.

Not to mention this engine doesn't need to meet emissions standards, nor be expected to run 200k plus miles the way a production car has to.

ZionsWrath · 07-30-2014, 10:38 AM

All valid points.

Most forum jockeys saying "zomg why you no 250hp NA" ignore all the bullshit regulations corporations have to deal with in making vehicles.

IMO we are a bit lucky we even have our "anemic" 200hp 2.0 "light weight" RWD coupe

mirin dat single exit exhaust

gymratter · 07-30-2014, 11:02 AM

i wonder how much?

becauseracecar1 · 07-30-2014, 11:34 AM

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i wonder how much?

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Tromatic · 07-30-2014, 12:59 PM

How long before the first clown paints his car just like that?

Walle · 07-30-2014, 01:20 PM

What i find really interesting is this:
"This CS-R3 will be available in kit form from early next year, though pricing is to be announced when the final spec has been, erm, finalised."
Source:http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/t...led-2014-07-30

Wheelsoffracing · 07-30-2014, 04:54 PM

Check this out http://www.racer.com/latest-stories/...but-in-germany

phobos512 · 07-30-2014, 05:27 PM

Class rules: http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public...06.2012%29.pdf

Head gasket can be shaved by 1 mm to achieve max compression of 12:1. Maybe someone can run the math and figure out what they might've set the compression to. Cam specs are in there as well (well, to a degree they are as limits).

OICU812 · 07-30-2014, 05:31 PM

There's no official release notes on any Toyota or Subaru website or blog etc. Therefore like Motor Authourity just another rumour mill type release folks.

Mini Cooper S · 07-30-2014, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

All valid points.

Most forum jockeys saying "zomg why you no 250hp NA" ignore all the bullshit regulations corporations have to deal with in making vehicles.

IMO we are a bit lucky we even have our "anemic" 200hp 2.0 "light weight" RWD coupe

mirin dat single exit exhaust

Caught you mirin'

VacantSky · 07-30-2014, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tromatic

How long before the first clown paints his car just like that?

I'm on it...

But really, I want that sequential gearbox!

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