Coilovers, wheels, exhaust...void warranty?

[newports]

Will new coils, wheels, and exhaust void the warranty?

[brzerk1]

Only what is directly effected by your modification. Ultimately it is up to your dealer on coverage, some will be more understanding than others.


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[Apoc]

Originally Posted by newports

Will new coils, wheels, and exhaust void the warranty?

Yes, they will void the OEM warranty of your springs/struts, exhaust and wheels. This is will be instantly reversed if you re-install them. I would keep a close eye on your warranty void indicator on the dash when making any mods.

[brzerk1]

Mod it, but remember you have to pay to play. Drive it stock for a couple months if you're worried and work out any bugs. With coils most dealerships aren't gonna be too willing to look for any rattles or squeaks.


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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by newports

Will new coils, wheels, and exhaust void the warranty?

Only if the part caused the failure. For example, if your airbag light went on because an airbag went defective, the parts you added didn't affect the airbag, so it would be covered.

[Fastbrew]

There is typically a way that the dealership can figure out a way to blame any mod for anything they want. It comes down to your relationship with and the quality of your dealer. Plus a little luck.

[newports]

Thank you guys!!

Guess I will feel somewhat better about changing the suspension, wheels, and exhaust now!

[mav1178]

I'm just going to quote myself from another thread.

Originally Posted by mav1178

OP, here's what you need to understand about warranty work:

First, the flow:

Manufacturer:

• Obligated to sell you a car that is in working condition for stated warranty period.
• Responsible for providing you (via dealership network) proper car service and warranty against defective parts for duration of warranty period (read your warranty booklet that came with the car).
• Responsible for reimbursing dealership for authorized warranty work.
• Can deny payment of warranty work to dealer for improper claims.

Dealership:

• Obligated to carry out warranty work on behalf of manufacturer.
• Makes determination of warranty work at discretion of service advisor (backed up by regional/field rep from manufacturer)
• Is responsible for "paying" up front the cost of warranty work (to the mechanic). Money is reimbursed based on estimated length of said work (often via TSB or other internal documents).
• Is responsible for cost of any warranty work done that can be denied by manufacturer.

Vehicle owner:

• Has responsibility to maintain car according to regularly scheduled maintenance as laid out in Owner's Manual
• Needs to keep receipts for all parts installed or replaced that is not factory.
• When doing own work (such as oil change), receipts need to be kept in order to claim warranty work later (this will be requested).
• Has a duty to report/repair abnormal conditions in timely fashion, not wait till the car falls apart to repair warranty work.

There's several scenarios that play out as far as warranty work, but there's all a common link: the owner's relationship with the dealer.

No matter how you look at it, you have to get warranty work done with a dealer. The dealer is the one that writes the service contract, the dealer is the one that submits the paperwork to corporate, the dealer is the one that performs the work. Love it or hate it, that's how it works.

Having said that, there's a few things that impact your warranty experience (especially with aftermarket mods):

1) The manufacturer has final say on these matters (so the initial paperwork is very important, as is your service record with the car.)
2) Service technicians are paid either by the hour (flat rate no matter how much they work), or paid by the job. An example of this would be an approved warranty work that will take 6 hours to complete (according to the TSB), but if the tech can finish the job in 4 hours, they would be paid based on the 6-hour work and make more money that way. Dealerships know this, and a good service manager will know how to maximize revenues for the department while providing superior service.
3) Some dealerships may not be properly trained or have a bad track record of not writing up service work properly. As a result, this results in a large amount of claims being rejected by corporate (and the subsequent "we don't touch aftermarket parts" or "we don't work on modified cars" blanket response).
4) Any public posts made that tie your car to a specific activity could be used against you as evidence to deny a warranty claim. Things like track racing, abuse of car via street racing, posts on forums, etc.

But having said all of the above.... it really comes down to this.
Money.

You paid money for a new car. You have a reasonable expectation of issues with the car being fixed in a timely manner.
The manufacturer has a reasonable expectation of providing warranty fixes for the car, provided that the issues aren't the result of owner abuse, neglect, or fraud.
The dealer have a business to keep. Good claims = money coming in, everyone gets paid and customers are happy. Bad claims = money lost, tech gets paid and parts have to be paid, vehicle owner isn't going to pay so it comes out of dealer's bottom line.

Cliff Note's version:
Once you, as a customer, take a moment and view this process from the dealer's perspective, you will realize that when it comes to warranty work, it's best to take the side of the argument that will get the dealer and service department paid. It's all about your relationship with them, about being reasonable and having a level, cool-headed discussion with the dealer when an initial claim inquiry is denied, and generally working it out with the dealer.

However, if you come in to a dealer with no relationship with them, throwing out all the TSBs and service work that you've found on FT86Club.com, and generally coming off as someone that knows more about the car than the service advisor that's helping you out, guess what will happen next? The problem with the internet isn't the wealth of information presented to you, it's what you do with the information. The last thing you want to do is to show off how much (or little) you know.

An example:
- you have fuel pump chirping issue
- you go to unknown dealer and say "I have this fuel pump issue and here's the TSB related to it"

Yes, it's a valid fix... but everything has a process, and it needs to played out. Any additional information you have on your end should be provided as supplemental/backup information, not in a "Here's my car's problem and here's how you fix it" way.

As for how I know all this? 15+ years experience in the aftermarket, dialogue with all the "factory sponsored" car guys out there (SEMA Show, professional race series, corporate sponsorship, etc), plenty of friends at 15+ various dealers around the country, and several friends at the corporate level.

I'm sure I'll edit this later, writing long posts on Monday morning isn't the most ideal thing to do.

-alex

[mav1178]

Basically what I'm saying is this: who cares what we have to say? If you can't work with a dealer, ANY dealer on getting warranty done with mods, what we have to say is of zero relevance.

Always talk to a dealer before you make assumptions. Even if it's an open-ended simple discussion, because in the long run you'll find this to be a better way to resolve warranty issues than being denied (then throwing the M-M Act in their face).

Conflict resolution isn't about escalating, it's about resolving the conflict at hand. 99% of the time it's just simple communication.

-alex