MT have less power than AT - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

asnoir · 05-20-2014, 08:57 AM

I was looking at Blitz japan products and with his new ECU (B-EMU Stage2) the dyno says that MT could reach 187.5 PS and 199.6 nm of torque. The AT reach 197.5 ps and 215.8 nm.
Why is the MT less powered?
Look at this
http://www.blitz.co.jp/products/elec...emu_86brz.html

P86RAVES · 05-20-2014, 09:09 AM

That is quite interesting. I'm looking forward to an answer.

Maverickgear · 05-20-2014, 09:12 AM

Hmm.. Wow, same here. Would like to see a more insight view on this

86-tundra · 05-20-2014, 09:24 AM

what? No way. ATs are regularly slower on the dyno on MTs.

JG · 05-20-2014, 09:36 AM

I wasn't expecting it to be in Japanese lol. I think a lot of members can easily debunk this though. Hell if the accusation is true all hell will break loose on this forum ha.

JG · 05-20-2014, 09:39 AM

It also says the MSRP is 50k yen.. Thats a little under 500 dollars. Something's wrong with that website.

TM · 05-20-2014, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG

It also says the MSRP is 50k yen.. Thats a little under 500 dollars. Something's wrong with that website.

50k yen is referring to the their "step-up" program, which I'm assuming allows you to upgrade from their stage 1 tune to stage 2, after you also purchase the stage 2 tune.

Gixxersixxerman · 05-20-2014, 09:57 AM

When evasive motorsports did the dyno day, my car put 175 at the wheel, another auto did 176, the majority of the manuals put down less besides robispec and of course the supercharged cars of evasive and Robert of staycrushing. We figured it was the gear ratio..

JG · 05-20-2014, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TM

50k yen is referring to the their "step-up" program, which I'm assuming allows you to upgrade from their stage 1 tune to stage 2, after you also purchase the stage 2 tune.

Ahhhh i see. Spent 2 years living in Japan and only learned the greetings lol.

Eurasianman · 05-20-2014, 10:41 AM

Like someone else mention. More than likely has to do with different gear ratios.

industrial · 05-20-2014, 10:46 AM

Don't get too excited. They probably have a dyno which needs gear ratios entered manually. They probably forgot to do this. Look up a few compares drift office have done in the past. They show the difference between running in different gears on their dyno.

ashtray · 05-20-2014, 11:40 AM

4th gear in auto is same as 5th gear in manual: 1:1. Same rear end gearing I believe.

dem00n · 05-20-2014, 11:46 AM

Perhaps the awkward gearing in the auto really does help out...

cycleboy · 05-20-2014, 11:55 AM

The title is misleading.

MT doesn't "have" less power. The engine is the same, they have the same power. It does make sense that due to gearing or losses one or the other could put less power to the wheels at peak.

Sorry for being anal, the title just threw me a bit.

05-20-2014, 08:57 AM	#1
asnoir Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: An old Citroen Xantia TD Location: France Posts: 66 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	MT have less power than AT I was looking at Blitz japan products and with his new ECU (B-EMU Stage2) the dyno says that MT could reach 187.5 PS and 199.6 nm of torque. The AT reach 197.5 ps and 215.8 nm. Why is the MT less powered? Look at this http://www.blitz.co.jp/products/elec...emu_86brz.html

05-20-2014, 09:24 AM	#4
86-tundra Troll Hunter Join Date: Aug 2013 Drives: fr-s, tundra Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,424 Thanks: 1,695 Thanked 922 Times in 470 Posts Mentioned: 39 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	what? No way. ATs are regularly slower on the dyno on MTs. __________________ DIY Winjet Retrofit

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Eurasianman Chief Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 DGM BRZ Premium 6MT Location: USA Posts: 573 Thanks: 145 Thanked 178 Times in 126 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Like someone else mention. More than likely has to do with different gear ratios. __________________

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P86RAVES Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: 08 WRB WRX STi / NA Miata Location: United States Posts: 174 Thanks: 165 Thanked 64 Times in 47 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That is quite interesting. I'm looking forward to an answer.

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Maverickgear Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: World Rally Blue BRZ Location: Singapore Posts: 72 Thanks: 12 Thanked 25 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hmm.. Wow, same here. Would like to see a more insight view on this

05-20-2014, 09:36 AM	#5
JG Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 85 Thanks: 44 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wasn't expecting it to be in Japanese lol. I think a lot of members can easily debunk this though. Hell if the accusation is true all hell will break loose on this forum ha.

05-20-2014, 09:39 AM	#6
JG Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: Whiteout FRS Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 85 Thanks: 44 Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It also says the MSRP is 50k yen.. Thats a little under 500 dollars. Something's wrong with that website.

05-20-2014, 09:57 AM	#8
Gixxersixxerman Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Toyota GT86, 66 beetle, 11 GSXR 750 Location: Las Vegas, NV. Posts: 1,382 Thanks: 575 Thanked 836 Times in 436 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	When evasive motorsports did the dyno day, my car put 175 at the wheel, another auto did 176, the majority of the manuals put down less besides robispec and of course the supercharged cars of evasive and Robert of staycrushing. We figured it was the gear ratio..

05-20-2014, 10:46 AM	#11
industrial Add lightness! Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 17' WRX Location: Boston Posts: 1,253 Thanks: 380 Thanked 888 Times in 411 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Don't get too excited. They probably have a dyno which needs gear ratios entered manually. They probably forgot to do this. Look up a few compares drift office have done in the past. They show the difference between running in different gears on their dyno.

05-20-2014, 11:40 AM	#12
ashtray As Seen On The Internet Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: 2003 WRX, 2013 BRZ, 442 Location: SoCal Posts: 852 Thanks: 23 Thanked 251 Times in 159 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	4th gear in auto is same as 5th gear in manual: 1:1. Same rear end gearing I believe.

05-20-2014, 11:55 AM	#14
cycleboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S - Argento Location: 805 Posts: 503 Thanks: 8 Thanked 215 Times in 142 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The title is misleading. MT doesn't "have" less power. The engine is the same, they have the same power. It does make sense that due to gearing or losses one or the other could put less power to the wheels at peak. Sorry for being anal, the title just threw me a bit.

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