Regret grippy tires? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

stock · 03-10-2014, 10:58 AM

Guys

I love how my car handles. Its super fun to drive and I love slipping the back end out at slow speeds sometimes. (...professional driver, closed course, no doubt )

I've been watching numerous video reviews etc. and many times people say one factor is the narrow, not so grippy tires.
I feel Ive just made a huge mistake and bought 245-40-17s for my new 17x8 rims. I know they will fit, that's NOT my issue. My issue is: I don't want to change the nature of my car.

Has anyone regretted buying grippier tires?

Can anyone recommend a Michelin Primacy replacement? (Prius tires)

sshole · 03-10-2014, 11:03 AM

The only con to replacing the stock tires: you get worse gas mileage.

But even that one con isn't all that much. I've seen a -1 or -2 mpg hit due to changing to decent all seasons (Goodyear Eagle Sport) and about the same or a little more on summers (Continental DW). Is it worth it to me to a) stop sooner, b) corner harder, c) have a quieter ride, d) have a more compliant ride? Yes.

utekineir · 03-10-2014, 11:06 AM

I like a tight feel.

Do you?

smbstyle · 03-10-2014, 11:34 AM

Well the question is, do you want grip?

For those people who like to slide around on the twisty roads or drift through parking lots, probably want to stick with the OEM tires.

For those who want grip, then I no, definitely don't regret it. I hated to OEM tires, was happy with the PSS, and should be much happier with the NT-01 r-comps.

Bg8780 · 03-10-2014, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utekineir

I like a tight feel.

Do you?

Giggidy

stock · 03-10-2014, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by utekineir

I like a tight feel.

Do you?

Loose women and tight cars?

dradernh · 03-10-2014, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stock

I love how my car handles. Its super fun to drive and I love slipping the back end out at slow speeds...

I feel Ive just made a huge mistake and bought 245-40-17s for my new 17x8 rims. My issue is: I don't want to change the nature of my car.

Can anyone recommend a Michelin Primacy replacement? (Prius tires)

If you want to run the 8" wheels, and you want more OEM-like responsiveness, I'd suggest going back to a 215 tire in an all-season compound - maybe something like a Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3 in either its High Performance or its Ultra High Performance version. You can read reviews and test results of the UHP version here: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....Speed+Rated%29.

This should provide you somewhat more grip than the Primacy, but in a 215 probably not so much that you couldn't still move the rear around whenever you wanted.

utekineir · 03-10-2014, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stock

Loose women and tight cars?

Lets not get picky here, not all of us are male models.

Deadspool · 03-10-2014, 12:43 PM

Even turbocharged, i regret buying grippies for daily use.

I'm shopping for some rubber that are a lot harder and last longer.

OrbitalEllipses · 03-10-2014, 12:43 PM

Somewhat. Taking on-ramp at 70mph without breaking traction is fun, but the sheer amount of grip becomes boring in day-to-day commute type driving.

stevo_12v · 03-10-2014, 01:06 PM

This is why you have more than one set of wheels.
One for daily, One for track.

CSG Mike · 03-10-2014, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stock

Guys

I love how my car handles. Its super fun to drive and I love slipping the back end out at slow speeds sometimes. (...professional driver, closed course, no doubt )

I've been watching numerous video reviews etc. and many times people say one factor is the narrow, not so grippy tires.
I feel Ive just made a huge mistake and bought 245-40-17s for my new 17x8 rims. I know they will fit, that's NOT my issue. My issue is: I don't want to change the nature of my car.

Has anyone regretted buying grippier tires?

Can anyone recommend a Michelin Primacy replacement? (Prius tires)

You won't change the characteristics of the car with a larger set of stickier tires. WHat you will do, is amplify the characteristics, whether good or bad, when you're at the limit.

An understeery car will understeer more. An oversteery car will oversteer more. It'll become more difficult (impossible?) to power-oversteer.

Deadspool · 03-10-2014, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo_12v

This is why you have more than one set of wheels.
One for daily, One for track.

He mentioned nothing about track use. just daily driven.

ZionsWrath · 03-10-2014, 01:22 PM

OP, if you enjoy stock tire on street why replace them? I'm sure you can buy some owners are selling with low mileage because they hate them for less than any "comparable" replacement.

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Originally Posted by sshole

The only con to replacing the stock tires: you get worse gas mileage.

But even that one con isn't all that much. I've seen a -1 or -2 mpg hit due to changing to decent all seasons (Goodyear Eagle Sport) and about the same or a little more on summers (Continental DW). Is it worth it to me to a) stop sooner, b) corner harder, c) have a quieter ride, d) have a more compliant ride? Yes.

Good thing you live in VA because eagle sports are shit all seasons (i.e. any amount of snow)

03-10-2014, 11:34 AM	#4
smbstyle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2013 SWP BRZ Location: Forsyth, GA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 224 Thanked 681 Times in 302 Posts Mentioned: 26 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well the question is, do you want grip? For those people who like to slide around on the twisty roads or drift through parking lots, probably want to stick with the OEM tires. For those who want grip, then I no, definitely don't regret it. I hated to OEM tires, was happy with the PSS, and should be much happier with the NT-01 r-comps. __________________ ----------------------------------- 2013 SWP BRZ Build Thread: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38781

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Deadspool Much title. Wow. Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 BRZ Sport-Tech Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 716 Thanks: 118 Thanked 292 Times in 163 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Even turbocharged, i regret buying grippies for daily use. I'm shopping for some rubber that are a lot harder and last longer. __________________ ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つI PUT A SPELL ON YOU ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ

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sshole Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: BRZ Location: VA Posts: 594 Thanks: 201 Thanked 389 Times in 195 Posts Mentioned: 15 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The only con to replacing the stock tires: you get worse gas mileage. But even that one con isn't all that much. I've seen a -1 or -2 mpg hit due to changing to decent all seasons (Goodyear Eagle Sport) and about the same or a little more on summers (Continental DW). Is it worth it to me to a) stop sooner, b) corner harder, c) have a quieter ride, d) have a more compliant ride? Yes.

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utekineir blowhard Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: frs, project forester Location: ma Posts: 980 Thanks: 53 Thanked 604 Times in 316 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I like a tight feel. Do you?

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