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Old 02-01-2014, 09:33 PM   #1
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2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

Working with @CSG_Mike and co, along with NCRC, how does the NorCal group feel about bringing the series to NCRC track events??? Give feedback, opinions, what you may want to see to make it happen, etc.

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2014 86CUP Board Members: SoCal
@CSG Mike @mav1178 @ImperiousRex

It's been proposed to NCRC to host NorCal's 86Cup and they were inviting to the idea. So, I've started this thread to guage the interests of our NorCal community. Above link is the current rulesets to help put your car in the appropriate class (Stock, Street, Modified, and Super Modified). This Challenge is not about how deep your pocket is but how you can handle your FR-S or BRZ on the track.

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Participation is voluntary. If you choose to participate, there will be extra stuff that will be required of you. 1) Fill out a seperate sheet that NCRC requires and that I will need to properly categorize your FR-S/BRZ. 2) Transponder rental (currently $25 per day) NCRC will provide the transponder (transponder # will be recorded). And any other rules set forth by NCRC to distinquish you from others.

Registering with NCRC will be as normal as you would have done in the past. All of the 86Cup participation will be dealt with the week(s) before the event and/or during check-in at the track. Currently, NCRC does not have an "only 86CUP session" but depending on the level of participation, it could happen. Register as normal and choose your appropriate run group. Your run-group is the level of experience you have with NCRC and/or being on the track. Your run-group is given a particular color wrist band, which you will receive in the mail prior to the track day.

NCRC will have 5 sessions (~20 min each session). This is the time when "YOU" or your wrist band color is allowed on the track. Here are the sessions for the 86CUP Challenge:
Session 1: NOT a recorded session.
Session 2: Recorded session! Fastest lap counts.
Session 3: Recorded session! Fastest lap counts.
Session 4: Recorded session! Fastest lap counts.
Session 5: NOT a recorded session.

3 of 5 sessions are recorded because many 86 owners are just getting into tracking. 4 or 5 sessions may be overkill for some, if not on their car. If so you choose to use Session 1 and 5 as your means to get a fast lap, then do so but it will not be recorded. That said, depending on the level of participation, we can change Session 5 as recorded session.

** Topics still in discussion **
Awards
Schedule (NCRC has ~28 events for the season between Thill and LS)
Penalizing due to not-acting with proper etiquette on a race track - may not be as strict but they will be active.
And anything else I haven't yet discussed with NCRC or @CSG_Mike
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2014 86CUP Challenge @ NorCal with NCRC

2014 86 CUP rules:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52982 --> 2 quick registration forms will be available at the track. Fill the header out with your name and car number, and show NCRC timing person when picking up the transponder - your name will bind with a transponder at that point. Keep the papers for yourself after. If for whatever reason I can't make it to the track, I will ask for driver name, car number, and class from the participants prior to the track event. NCRC will then email/upload that day's results. And I will announce the winners via online post.

NCRC has created the 86Cup registration option in their event listing. If you want to participant, select the 86Cup button during registration and you will be categorized. At the day of the event, continue to register as an 86Cup driver and rent a transponder. You still need to select your run group as the group you are most comfortable with or have experience in. At this time, the Solo group (least track experienced) is not included in the 86Cup due to safety and experience so NCRC is willing to go thru a check-out process. At your discretion, you may ask NCRC to go thru this process with you.

2014 Schedule of events:

Sat March 22, Thunderhill
Sat April 12, Buttonwillow
Sun April 13, Buttonwillow
Sat June 28, Thunderhill
Sun June 29, Thunderhill
Sat August 2, Thunderhill
Sun August 3, Thunderhill
Sat September 27, Buttonwillow
Sun September 28, Buttonwillow
Sat October 25, Thunderhill
Sun October 26, Thunderhill
Sat December 27, Laguna Seca

Best of 9 of 12 events count towards season point total

THill x7
BW x4
LS x1

Scoring:
1st - 10 points
2nd - 7 points
3rd - 5 points
4th - 4 points
5th - 3 points
6th - 2 points
7th+ - 1 point

SPONSORS:
- Counter Space Garage has been very generous to help create this cup and therefore has also stepped up to provide anything at their disposal to our NorCal group. CSG is well aware of NorCal's group and is more than willing to provide consumables and anything else we may need. Please support CSG for any parts you may need. Jonah [@finch1750] has volunteered to organize group-buys from CSG. He has successfully organized past similar events. Refer to NorCal's 86Cup when ordering parts and supplies.
- LPI Racing (Livermore) has also stepped up to be a local provider for our track needs! They stock Bell, Simpson, Hans device, suits, gloves, shoes just to start. Unlimited safety equipment, liquids, hardware, and track-experience makes them an asset to our NorCal community. Always willing to share info, chat, and advice - they are a pair of guys that has been where some of us want to go. Refer to NorCal's 86Cup when inquiring about stuff.
- MANN Engineering(Santa Clara) to help provide even more generous assistance to our 86Cup participants. Conveniently located in Santa Clara, CA, they house an impressive collection of necessary tools and equipment to satisfy all of your cars' needs, including multiple lifts, a Maha Chassis Dyno, and Bosch alignment machines just to name a few. They provide an assortment of services for your FR-S/BRZ from an oil change, tech inspections to packaged performance upgrades that can elevate your experience to the next level. MANN Engineering's experience, knowledge, and facility also receives frequent visits from William Knose (of Delicious Tuning) to tune clients' cars.
Here's a list of goodies you can expect from Mann Engineering:
* 5% off performance parts from our advertised Mann Engineering Web Price. This excludes any packages that we currently offer.
* 10% off labor/installation/diagnostic rates, such as alignment, vehicle inspection, etc.
* Discounts are offered to those who participate in 3 or more events for the 2014 NorCal 86Cup series.

All SPONSORS will generously provide gifts at the end of our 86Cup season.


SoCal has been creating/posting threads about their 86Cup events that are full of info, comments, and such...
2014 86CUP #1 - Streets of Willow Springs - Jan 18, 2014
2014 86CUP #2 - Willlow Springs International Raceway - Feb 16, 2014
2014 86CUP #3 - Buttonwillow Raceway Park 13CW - Feb 22, 2014


** Save the date: Saturday MARCH 8, 2014. Start time: ~12-1pm. I have been scouting out a business park around the Mines Road area that provides a nice meeting pre/post stop to Mines Road. The business park is empty on Saturday's with very little to no cars - perfect for a lunch meet and drive, or just lounge. I'm looking to invite food truck(s) to provide immediate eatery. Any questions, comments about the 86Cup or anything NorCal will be answered. More details to follow... **
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Im totally in, let me know anything I can help u with!

Only concern i hv with NCRC is being too crowded, difficult to hv clean laps for good lap time....
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This is awesome dude.Im also totally down to help however I can. You know Im not a huge track guy (yet) but would love to help with logistics until I get out there.
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Im totally in, let me know anything I can help u with!

Only concern i hv with NCRC is being too crowded, difficult to hv clean laps for good lap time....
Cool thanks. Yes, we may approach that crowdiness in different ways. We may have a few 'tricks' to alleviate some of that and give 86 participants a clean lap(s) before catching up to the crowd. NCRC has experience in these so they know how to reduce some of that.

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This is awesome dude.Im also totally down to help however I can. You know Im not a huge track guy (yet) but would love to help with logistics until I get out there.
Thanks! There'll could be more off-track duty than there will be on-track. Thankfully, NCRC has all the resources and experience for us to do minimal work and enjoy being at the track. That be a driver, spectator, or something else.
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I've run S2000 Chrono Series with NCRC and it never got off the ground the way that we hoped for. I'm cautiously optimistic so we'll see what happens.

In fact, last year Chrono series run groups got folded back into the Open group due to lack of participation across all makes and models.

Speed SF (City Tech) seems to have the most momentum for time attack in NorCal right now with S2000 and BMW TA and I know they've been hesitant to add an 86 cup for now.

We'll see what happens when the SoCal influence wants to come up here and give it a try.
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I think its worth giving it a shoot and see how it goes, it would be so fun if it works out like SoCal, maybe NCRC would be willing to give us dedicated session for 86 Cup


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Sub'd. Will spectate especially if @RehabJeff86 is in.

No wonder thats why there was so many s2000s and e30 bmws at thunderhill yesterday. Speedsf was running a time attack. Someone hit 2:04 in a pretty much stock frs. This was running the bypass at turn 5.

They put similar time cars in the same run group during the time attack. It was pretty cool to watch.

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I've run S2000 Chrono Series with NCRC and it never got off the ground the way that we hoped for. I'm cautiously optimistic so we'll see what happens.

In fact, last year Chrono series run groups got folded back into the Open group due to lack of participation across all makes and models.

Speed SF (City Tech) seems to have the most momentum for time attack in NorCal right now with S2000 and BMW TA and I know they've been hesitant to add an 86 cup for now.

We'll see what happens when the SoCal influence wants to come up here and give it a try.

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In my estimation, the chrono series struggled because there isn't enough experienced enough drivers of any 1 make/model here in NorCal. I hate to say it but the track culture doesn't seem as big here as compared to SoCal where the 1 make series appear to be more successful. Furthermore, across makes/models it's hard to come up with a consistent ruleset to level the playing field.

I've noticed in the s2k series that gap between the experienced and not-so experienced is immediately evident and when the not-experienced participants know they can't win they stop participating. This proved true with s2000s and I imagine the issue will be even greater with the 86. Many of the 86 drivers are just getting into tracking.

Things that they 86 chrono has going for it over the the s2000 chrono is that the car is still toward the beginning of its life cycle, you can still go buy a new one, and the car may appeal to a larger pool of enthusiasts since its not as hardcore focused. More drivers in the pool to pull from. Also, particular to NCRC, the 86 doesn't have to pass a broomstick test just to get on track.

We'll see what happens...

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No wonder thats why there was so many s2000s and e30 bmws at thunderhill yesterday. Speedsf was running a time attack. Someone hit 2:04 in a pretty much stock frs.

They put similar time cars in the same run group during the time attack. It was pretty cool to watch.
2:04 in Thunderhill? I know smmmurf did 2:15.87 in an almost stock BRZ about a year ago, and that was almost on edge all corners.
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No wonder thats why there was so many s2000s and e30 bmws at thunderhill yesterday. Speedsf was running a time attack. Someone hit 2:04 in a pretty much stock frs.
2:04 is pretty impressive if it was "mostly stock". Know what kind of tires the owner was running?
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