EVO: GT86 TRD vs Miata MX-5 BBR Turbo - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Hachiroku · 01-30-2014, 10:17 AM

Richard Meaden compares the Toyota GT86 TRD against the BBR Mazda MX-5 on track at Blyton Park. Prepare to see some rather sideways action.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytxJvuTy8As#t"]Toyota GT86 TRD v Mazda MX-5 BBR Turbo | evo TRACK BATTLES - YouTube[/ame]

tennisfreak · 01-30-2014, 10:42 AM

No huge suprises.

Seems like he feels the GT86 is maybe a slightly better drivers car but not enough power which the little turbo Miata makes up for.

He also mentions just how overpriced TRD makes the car.

I noticed that he appeared to be struggling to stay seated properly in the Miata.

DarkSunrise · 01-30-2014, 10:58 AM

Let me guess, another Evo review where the GT86 loses? Typical Evo. For a magazine that purports to dislike the GT86/BRZ as much as they do, they sure are obsessed with it.

And why would you compare a factory TRD GT86 against a 3rd-party tuned Miata? Obviously a Miata built by an aftermarket performance shop is going to be cheaper and faster than a GT86 fitted only with TRD pieces.

I feel like Evo just does it to troll at this point.

Trojan_SC · 01-30-2014, 11:08 AM

Worthless comparison. Notice that the GT86 only comes in 1.8 seconds slower than a fully tuned Miata with 270hp.

husker741 · 01-30-2014, 11:09 AM

I hate these kind of reviews that try to make it fair, but it really isn't. Give the FR-S a Vortech supercharger or Greddy turbo to make it even. Then compare. It's OEM+ against 3rd party, and it's not a fair comparison that way. However, it really wasn't that much faster.

tennisfreak · 01-30-2014, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

And why would you compare a factory TRD GT86 against a 3rd-party tuned Miata? Obviously a Miata built by an aftermarket performance shop is going to be cheaper and faster than a GT86 fitted only with TRD pieces.

I feel like Evo just does it to troll at this point.

To be fair I don't think Evo is intentionally trolling, they are comparing cars at the same price point.
If anything this shows just how overpriced TRD crap from the factory is.
Also even with a 70hp disadvantage the GT86 is only 1.8 seconds slower.

Celica00 · 01-30-2014, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tennisfreak

To be fair I don't think Evo is intentionally trolling, they are comparing cars at the same price point.
If anything this shows just how overpriced TRD crap from the factory is.
Also even with a 70hp disadvantage the GT86 is only 1.8 seconds slower.

that's the part that got me. especially that huge straight around the middle of the track would seem like the Miata should've been 5+ seconds faster. proves how much the gt86 destroys corners especially w/ decent tires.

Steve · 01-30-2014, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Celica00

that's the part that got me. especially that huge straight around the middle of the track would seem like the Miata should've been 5+ seconds faster. proves how much the gt86 destroys corners especially w/ decent tires.

This.

8k in OEM cosmetics and tires VS 8k in aftermarket turbo, tuning and tires

EVO TRACK BATTLE-ERUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!

Celica00 · 01-30-2014, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve

EVO TRACK BATTLE-ERUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!

JS + BRZ · 01-30-2014, 12:11 PM

Both cars are GREAT cars. We are blessed to be able to buy either of these cars under $30k in the States.

Don't give much crap about this comparison though. Weird comparo imo.

Boxer486 · 01-30-2014, 12:14 PM

So the 'TRD' GT86 has a body kit, new shift knob and gas cap. Quad exhaust and possibly heavier 18" wheels. Evo said the TRD edition uses Yokohama Advans, but the video has Michelin PS3? Odd discrepancy.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._pictures.html

Plus in many ways, the TRD version is slower than a standard 86/BRZ.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/new-c...efinitely-more

Evo can get back to us on that Miata when they put better brakes and suspension on the 86 with another 70hp/70lbft.

1086 · 01-30-2014, 12:14 PM

It throws me off when they talk about the GT86 being familiar or being out for a while now... I always look at it like it just came out only a few months ago haha

thill · 01-30-2014, 12:15 PM

It is a pointless comparison. They should do third party Miata tuned to third party GT86 tuned.

Like one of these cars that Top Gear looked into:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...ive-2013-10-16

rcm47 · 01-30-2014, 12:31 PM

I watched this the other day and thought wow what a load of crap. They're comparing a body kit to a turbo kit.

01-30-2014, 10:17 AM	#1
Hachiroku Administrator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: Boxster 986 Location: Tristate Posts: 1,160 Thanks: 36 Thanked 1,977 Times in 344 Posts Mentioned: 155 Post(s) Tagged: 5 Thread(s)	EVO: GT86 TRD vs Miata MX-5 BBR Turbo Richard Meaden compares the Toyota GT86 TRD against the BBR Mazda MX-5 on track at Blyton Park. Prepare to see some rather sideways action. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytxJvuTy8As#t"]Toyota GT86 TRD v Mazda MX-5 BBR Turbo \| evo TRACK BATTLES - YouTube[/ame]

01-30-2014, 10:58 AM	#3
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,792 Thanks: 2,152 Thanked 4,238 Times in 2,218 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Let me guess, another Evo review where the GT86 loses? Typical Evo. For a magazine that purports to dislike the GT86/BRZ as much as they do, they sure are obsessed with it. And why would you compare a factory TRD GT86 against a 3rd-party tuned Miata? Obviously a Miata built by an aftermarket performance shop is going to be cheaper and faster than a GT86 fitted only with TRD pieces. I feel like Evo just does it to troll at this point. __________________ "Never run out of real estate, traction, and ideas at the same time." 2022 BRZ Build 2013 FR-S Build

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Trojan_SC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: '14 Monogram FR-S(RIP) Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 909 Thanks: 258 Thanked 417 Times in 202 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Worthless comparison. Notice that the GT86 only comes in 1.8 seconds slower than a fully tuned Miata with 270hp.

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husker741 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2013 Whiteout Scion FR-S 6MT Location: Gainesville, FL Posts: 3,272 Thanks: 1,278 Thanked 4,183 Times in 1,415 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I hate these kind of reviews that try to make it fair, but it really isn't. Give the FR-S a Vortech supercharger or Greddy turbo to make it even. Then compare. It's OEM+ against 3rd party, and it's not a fair comparison that way. However, it really wasn't that much faster.

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JS + BRZ Banned Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: 2010 MS3 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,820 Thanks: 1,180 Thanked 1,161 Times in 597 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Both cars are GREAT cars. We are blessed to be able to buy either of these cars under $30k in the States. Don't give much crap about this comparison though. Weird comparo imo.

01-30-2014, 12:14 PM	#11
Boxer486 Banned Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: small Location: here Posts: 697 Thanks: 195 Thanked 261 Times in 155 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	So the 'TRD' GT86 has a body kit, new shift knob and gas cap. Quad exhaust and possibly heavier 18" wheels. Evo said the TRD edition uses Yokohama Advans, but the video has Michelin PS3? Odd discrepancy. http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evoc..._pictures.html Plus in many ways, the TRD version is slower than a standard 86/BRZ. http://www.autocar.co.uk/blogs/new-c...efinitely-more Evo can get back to us on that Miata when they put better brakes and suspension on the 86 with another 70hp/70lbft.

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1086 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: UM86 - 6MT Location: CA (elevation 85 ft.) Posts: 518 Thanks: 383 Thanked 249 Times in 126 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It throws me off when they talk about the GT86 being familiar or being out for a while now... I always look at it like it just came out only a few months ago haha

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thill Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner) Location: North Pole Posts: 2,753 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It is a pointless comparison. They should do third party Miata tuned to third party GT86 tuned. Like one of these cars that Top Gear looked into: http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/s...ive-2013-10-16

01-30-2014, 12:31 PM	#14
rcm47 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: 13’ FRS (traded), 18’ CWP BRZ tS Location: California Posts: 605 Thanks: 589 Thanked 300 Times in 147 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I watched this the other day and thought wow what a load of crap. They're comparing a body kit to a turbo kit.

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