school me on data logging - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

fatoni · 01-09-2014, 06:08 PM

its been years since ive gone to a track event. i think im going to be able to get a little more serious about it now so if figured i would look into this as a useful tool, particularly the predictive lap timing stuff. does anybody have any experience with this sort of thing?

CSG Mike · 01-09-2014, 06:18 PM

What do you want to know?

The datalogging part is easy. Get your logger of choice, and just turn it on at the track.

How you use/interpret that data is where the real value is. I have no problem giving a few pointers here and there, but data analysis is a service that I offer, and I can give feedback tailored specific to your requirements. For people that I'm coaching and/or hire me specific for data analysis but don't have a logger of their own, I use a portable datalogger.

fatoni · 01-09-2014, 06:32 PM

well i literally know nothing about them. what i want is a cheap entry level datalogging system that will provide the tools to take me from a novice driver to a decent driver more efficiently. i dont really think i want too much help despite the fact that it seems like i want to be spoonfed. i just think that a little bit of advice in the beginning can save a lot of time money and headaches in the future. thanks

Dave-ROR · 01-09-2014, 06:34 PM

I run an AIM Solo and like it. It's not great, the documentation is a joke, but it works well enough and the predictive lap timer is helpful for testing stuff out. I use the data to compare things I changed and see what worked out the best, etc.

CSG Mike · 01-09-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

well i literally know nothing about them. what i want is a cheap entry level datalogging system that will provide the tools to take me from a novice driver to a decent driver more efficiently. i dont really think i want too much help despite the fact that it seems like i want to be spoonfed. i just think that a little bit of advice in the beginning can save a lot of time money and headaches in the future. thanks

Use trackmasters/harry's lap timer, for a taste in what data can do. It'll cost you $10.

If you feel you want something more sophisticated, then the next step up I'd recommend is a AIM Solo DL ($700), which is a unit that we sell, and what I use when I need a portable logger.

From there, I'd go up to a Racepak G2X, which is what I use in my s2k.

ultra · 01-09-2014, 07:57 PM

I use Harry's Lap Timer and Torque these days but they're nowhere near as comprehensive or precise as my Racelogic Performance box (and software) was.

The beauty of the performance box was that you could open the data on your PC and split apart laps easily, then scroll around each lap and see any value you liked at any given point. The race lines were exteemely accurate as well, meaning that you could assess cornering lines on top of that.

Those are just the tip of the iceberg though.

Like CSG Mike says, the real magic is in interpreting all that data properly so you can get actionable information out of it. It's a black art and a whole profession in itself.

CSG Mike · 01-09-2014, 08:08 PM

I'd love to be able to do car telemetry analysis full time...

fatoni · 01-09-2014, 08:13 PM

the performance box is the unit that really got me thinking about this as i found one used for 350 and it seemed to do the things that i need (at least the things im aware of and think i need). i guess i have to start doing some comparisons.

CSG Mike · 01-09-2014, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

the performance box is the unit that really got me thinking about this as i found one used for 350 and it seemed to do the things that i need (at least the things im aware of and think i need). i guess i have to start doing some comparisons.

Get something with OBD2/CANBUS capability. Trust me, it's worth every penny.

stugray · 01-09-2014, 08:15 PM

You could also buy a Tactrix Openport 2.0. ($160)
It can log any CAN data from the OBD port in realtime in standalone mode (no laptop required).
Then you can use it to reflash/tune your ECU Maps using Romraider & ECUFlash

phastafrican · 01-09-2014, 10:25 PM

Not to add too many options to the list... however Traqmate has been a standard for most of our NASA racers. Personally, I'll be running Autosport Labs Race Capture Pro this year.
The real value from any Data Acquisition system will be evident when you have someone with a similar system to compare data to. You're on the West Coast, so I'll let Mike lead the way on this conversation, as this is something he really enjoys and is best placed to help you. Looking up those additional 2 options will provide a host of general information as well.

RehabJeff86 · 01-09-2014, 10:54 PM

I use AIM Solo DL, its awesome and accurate! Worth every single penny!

01-09-2014, 06:08 PM	#1
fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	school me on data logging its been years since ive gone to a track event. i think im going to be able to get a little more serious about it now so if figured i would look into this as a useful tool, particularly the predictive lap timing stuff. does anybody have any experience with this sort of thing?

01-09-2014, 06:34 PM	#4
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	I run an AIM Solo and like it. It's not great, the documentation is a joke, but it works well enough and the predictive lap timer is helpful for testing stuff out. I use the data to compare things I changed and see what worked out the best, etc. __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

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ultra Curious cat. Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 86 GT base M/T - Red Location: Dubai Posts: 775 Thanks: 840 Thanked 383 Times in 191 Posts Mentioned: 31 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I use Harry's Lap Timer and Torque these days but they're nowhere near as comprehensive or precise as my Racelogic Performance box (and software) was. The beauty of the performance box was that you could open the data on your PC and split apart laps easily, then scroll around each lap and see any value you liked at any given point. The race lines were exteemely accurate as well, meaning that you could assess cornering lines on top of that. Those are just the tip of the iceberg though. Like CSG Mike says, the real magic is in interpreting all that data properly so you can get actionable information out of it. It's a black art and a whole profession in itself. __________________ 2013 Toyota 86 GT M/T 2009 Renault Clio Sport R27 Team F1 Edition (sold) 1991 Mazda MX5 Miata (sold) 2007 Mitsubishi Evo 9 RS (sold) 2006 VW Golf R32 (sold)

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RehabJeff86 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 WhiteOut FR-S Location: Dublin,CA Posts: 969 Thanks: 899 Thanked 492 Times in 306 Posts Mentioned: 67 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I use AIM Solo DL, its awesome and accurate! Worth every single penny! __________________ 2013 Scion FR-S whiteout 2012 Porsche Panamera S carbon grey 2008 Range Rover Sport SS black - sold 2004 BMW M3 alpine wies - sold

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,562 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,211 Times in 6,854 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	What do you want to know? The datalogging part is easy. Get your logger of choice, and just turn it on at the track. How you use/interpret that data is where the real value is. I have no problem giving a few pointers here and there, but data analysis is a service that I offer, and I can give feedback tailored specific to your requirements. For people that I'm coaching and/or hire me specific for data analysis but don't have a logger of their own, I use a portable datalogger.

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fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	well i literally know nothing about them. what i want is a cheap entry level datalogging system that will provide the tools to take me from a novice driver to a decent driver more efficiently. i dont really think i want too much help despite the fact that it seems like i want to be spoonfed. i just think that a little bit of advice in the beginning can save a lot of time money and headaches in the future. thanks

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,562 Thanks: 8,942 Thanked 14,211 Times in 6,854 Posts Mentioned: 970 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	I'd love to be able to do car telemetry analysis full time...

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fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the performance box is the unit that really got me thinking about this as i found one used for 350 and it seemed to do the things that i need (at least the things im aware of and think i need). i guess i have to start doing some comparisons.

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stugray Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Drives: 2013 GBS BRZ Limited Location: Colorado Posts: 1,925 Thanks: 627 Thanked 1,445 Times in 711 Posts Mentioned: 41 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You could also buy a Tactrix Openport 2.0. ($160) It can log any CAN data from the OBD port in realtime in standalone mode (no laptop required). Then you can use it to reflash/tune your ECU Maps using Romraider & ECUFlash

01-09-2014, 10:25 PM	#11
phastafrican Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Raven Scion FR-S Location: Fernandina Beach, FL Posts: 437 Thanks: 118 Thanked 171 Times in 112 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Not to add too many options to the list... however Traqmate has been a standard for most of our NASA racers. Personally, I'll be running Autosport Labs Race Capture Pro this year. The real value from any Data Acquisition system will be evident when you have someone with a similar system to compare data to. You're on the West Coast, so I'll let Mike lead the way on this conversation, as this is something he really enjoys and is best placed to help you. Looking up those additional 2 options will provide a host of general information as well.

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