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Scooby South · 11-22-2013, 12:20 PM

2014 PAX Table most stayed the same... but significant changes in stock.

Wepeel · 11-22-2013, 12:35 PM

On first glance it seems like all the new street classes will have it very tough, except DS maybe.

Wepeel · 11-22-2013, 12:39 PM

Doing a twins comparison, it looks like an STX twin should only be ~0.44 seconds faster over a 60 second course than a C-Street twin. That seems a little off.

Coilovers, swaybars, headers, tune, 2" wider wheels, weight reduction should gain 0.44 easily.

simpleisbest · 11-22-2013, 12:51 PM

I wonder how much of the C-Street's PAX is calculated off the times of the remaining cars in CS, instead of the Class times from last year with the MSR and ZOK in the mix.

jprice130 · 11-22-2013, 12:54 PM

Thanks for sharing Bill! And yes, the new C-Street PAX doesn't seem very advantageous compared to STX. Only a 0.06 difference? I could overcome that with 17x9 wheels and wider tires alone. I'd still have coilovers, full exhaust, bushings, and a tune to work with from there.

My other ride is a SS Lotus Elise and we didn't get much help there either. SS PAX is higher than STR by 0.05 and there is no freaking way a stock prepped Elise on street tires could out raw a well-prepped S2000.

autoXracer · 11-22-2013, 03:55 PM

That's way off from this years RTR CS pax of 0.813

7thgear · 11-22-2013, 03:58 PM

maybe their goals are to push people out of stock classes entirely so it's just the ST* classes left, huyk huyk huyk.

simpleisbest · 11-22-2013, 07:54 PM

I would like to see how Rick Ruth came up with these adjustments. Given equal drivers and equal course, I don't think C-Street could ever be that close to STX...

DylanFRS · 11-22-2013, 08:10 PM

Totally ridiculous. I already know of a couple people that were planning to run Street but are going to run Street-R after seeing the new index. I can't wait until Nationals rolls around and the SEB is complaining about a lack of participation in the new Street classes... Maybe Rick isn't a big fan of the migration to street tires? Either way, thanks Rick!

Ninjin · 11-23-2013, 03:26 AM

Oh snap, someone at the SCCA forgot to tell Rick Ruth that stock classes are on street tires next year.

whataboutbob · 11-23-2013, 08:59 AM

SM: 0.867 to .870. Ouch. Gonna need r comps for sure now.

solort · 11-26-2013, 11:35 AM

For concrete especially, the Street PAX numbers are going to not be accurate to R compound classes. Go look at Nationals PAX for all classes and the highest finisher on street tires in RT or ST is not in top 100

11-22-2013, 12:39 PM	#3
Wepeel Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: '13 BRZ Ltd Location: PA Posts: 458 Thanks: 265 Thanked 230 Times in 117 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Doing a twins comparison, it looks like an STX twin should only be ~0.44 seconds faster over a 60 second course than a C-Street twin. That seems a little off. Coilovers, swaybars, headers, tune, 2" wider wheels, weight reduction should gain 0.44 easily. Last edited by Wepeel; 11-22-2013 at 12:42 PM. Reason: Math error

11-22-2013, 03:58 PM	#7
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	maybe their goals are to push people out of stock classes entirely so it's just the ST* classes left, huyk huyk huyk. __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

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11-22-2013, 12:35 PM	#2
Wepeel Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: '13 BRZ Ltd Location: PA Posts: 458 Thanks: 265 Thanked 230 Times in 117 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	On first glance it seems like all the new street classes will have it very tough, except DS maybe.

11-22-2013, 12:51 PM	#4
simpleisbest Senior Citizen Join Date: May 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: So. Cal Posts: 571 Thanks: 143 Thanked 187 Times in 122 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I wonder how much of the C-Street's PAX is calculated off the times of the remaining cars in CS, instead of the Class times from last year with the MSR and ZOK in the mix.

11-22-2013, 12:54 PM	#5
jprice130 AutoX Nut Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2020 Toyota Supra Location: Harrisburg, NC Posts: 268 Thanks: 76 Thanked 74 Times in 59 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Thanks for sharing Bill! And yes, the new C-Street PAX doesn't seem very advantageous compared to STX. Only a 0.06 difference? I could overcome that with 17x9 wheels and wider tires alone. I'd still have coilovers, full exhaust, bushings, and a tune to work with from there. My other ride is a SS Lotus Elise and we didn't get much help there either. SS PAX is higher than STR by 0.05 and there is no freaking way a stock prepped Elise on street tires could out raw a well-prepped S2000.

11-22-2013, 07:54 PM	#8
simpleisbest Senior Citizen Join Date: May 2012 Drives: Scion FR-S Location: So. Cal Posts: 571 Thanks: 143 Thanked 187 Times in 122 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would like to see how Rick Ruth came up with these adjustments. Given equal drivers and equal course, I don't think C-Street could ever be that close to STX...

11-22-2013, 08:10 PM	#9
DylanFRS Lost in Kansas Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FRS (Raven) Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 662 Thanks: 359 Thanked 317 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Totally ridiculous. I already know of a couple people that were planning to run Street but are going to run Street-R after seeing the new index. I can't wait until Nationals rolls around and the SEB is complaining about a lack of participation in the new Street classes... Maybe Rick isn't a big fan of the migration to street tires? Either way, thanks Rick!

11-23-2013, 03:26 AM	#10
Ninjin Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: SWP BRZ 6MT Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 876 Thanks: 415 Thanked 576 Times in 332 Posts Mentioned: 144 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Oh snap, someone at the SCCA forgot to tell Rick Ruth that stock classes are on street tires next year.

11-26-2013, 11:35 AM	#12
solort Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: Series 10 FRS Location: AL Posts: 177 Thanks: 3 Thanked 30 Times in 19 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	For concrete especially, the Street PAX numbers are going to not be accurate to R compound classes. Go look at Nationals PAX for all classes and the highest finisher on street tires in RT or ST is not in top 100

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