Looming competition - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

BRZfan · 09-10-2013, 08:55 PM

Recent read in AUTOMOTIVE NEWS, May 6, 2013.

Mark Reuss, General Motors President -North America, has expressed a desire to have "A really nice, light, rear wheel drive sporty car to appeal to young drivers". At the 2012 Detroit Auto Show, GM showed a RWD Chevy coupe referred to as a "Code 130R". The article referred to the Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S that have won "critical praise".

The 130R has not yet been given a 'go-ahead ' as far as I know but for those that find it interesting, it'll be a wait & see.

This would fill out choices in expensive (Corvette), mid-priced (Camaro) and low-priced rear wheel drive cars for Chevrolet and I sure that it would be much better that the now out-of-production Pontiac Solstice.

Zoti · 09-10-2013, 09:04 PM

It kind of looks like a BMW 1 series.

It will be interesting but in general, I think American cars suck.

Stryker · 09-10-2013, 09:24 PM

1. That looks like utter crap.
2. It's an American car made in America.
3. See points 1&2, especially 2.

clintavo · 09-10-2013, 09:45 PM

This is old news. That said, I don't have high hopes for GM in this segment. I can't help but think of the Fiero. Ugh.

kakarot1657 · 09-10-2013, 10:06 PM

Looks heavy... I had rented Camaro a for a week while my eclipse GT was being fix at the time and even though it was the V6 version it was too bulky for my taste. GM isn't know for sporty light cars under 30K.

The359 · 09-10-2013, 10:34 PM

GM tried this before with the Solstice/Sky, those didn't turn out very competitive.

NOHOME · 09-10-2013, 11:06 PM

None of the big three has the automotive DNA for such a project.

g0ast · 09-10-2013, 11:19 PM

The 130R is "meh". The 140S on the other hand is sexy, too bad it's based on the Cruze.

Both examples have a 1.4L turbo at 150hp and 148 torque and 6500 red line, the same as the Cruze. It's still not enough to keep up with a FRS/BRZ. It's just a watered down attempt at a FRS/BRZ.

They aren't building a sports car, but a sporty car with "features" to improve efficiency but not make it any more like a sports car including making it RWD to go after those wanting a RWD.

Frstorm · 09-10-2013, 11:24 PM

You can already get a camaro for 22k, how much cheaper do they want to go?

tacoss23 · 09-10-2013, 11:27 PM

Yeah....no.

Of all the auto-makers that I would love to see "competition" coming from, GM is pretty much last. Right behind Chrysler.

Don't get me wrong, GM is trying, the new Corvette and the ATS are excellent vehicles. But look how long it took an American automaker to put a good product out there, 3 decades?

This is the company that took decisions such as: killing their EV program in 1998 in favor of more SUVs, the same year that Toyota started theirs (which resulted in the Prius).

It's still long ways for American automakers to catch up in this segment.

thill · 09-11-2013, 01:12 AM

You lost me at Chevy and cheap lightweight RWD sports coupe..

They would find a way to screw this up..

jflogerzi · 09-11-2013, 01:22 AM

This is Meh... but the new 2015 or 2014.5 Mustang could spell major trouble for the twins.

bestwheelbase · 09-11-2013, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kakarot1657

GM isn't know for sporty light cars under 30K.

For a long time, neither was Toyota.

Kelbyat07 · 09-11-2013, 01:50 AM

American cars. Nuff said.

09-10-2013, 08:55 PM	#1
BRZfan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013BRZ Premium St Silver Metallic Location: USA Posts: 824 Thanks: 79 Thanked 212 Times in 156 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Looming competition Recent read in AUTOMOTIVE NEWS, May 6, 2013. Mark Reuss, General Motors President -North America, has expressed a desire to have "A really nice, light, rear wheel drive sporty car to appeal to young drivers". At the 2012 Detroit Auto Show, GM showed a RWD Chevy coupe referred to as a "Code 130R". The article referred to the Subaru BRZ/Scion FR-S that have won "critical praise". The 130R has not yet been given a 'go-ahead ' as far as I know but for those that find it interesting, it'll be a wait & see. This would fill out choices in expensive (Corvette), mid-priced (Camaro) and low-priced rear wheel drive cars for Chevrolet and I sure that it would be much better that the now out-of-production Pontiac Solstice.

09-10-2013, 09:24 PM	#3
Stryker Member Join Date: May 2013 Drives: 2000 Subaru Forester Location: MWV, NH Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1. That looks like utter crap. 2. It's an American car made in America. 3. See points 1&2, especially 2. __________________ Be a part of Directory 86. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21965

09-10-2013, 10:34 PM	#6
The359 X Rated Join Date: Jan 2013 Drives: 2017 BRZ Series.Yellow Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 265 Thanks: 16 Thanked 113 Times in 63 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	GM tried this before with the Solstice/Sky, those didn't turn out very competitive. __________________ NULLA TENACI INVIA EST VIA My BRZ

09-10-2013, 11:19 PM	#8
g0ast Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: GBS Subaru BRZ Limited A/T Location: Arizona Posts: 140 Thanks: 15 Thanked 35 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 130R is "meh". The 140S on the other hand is sexy, too bad it's based on the Cruze. Both examples have a 1.4L turbo at 150hp and 148 torque and 6500 red line, the same as the Cruze. It's still not enough to keep up with a FRS/BRZ. It's just a watered down attempt at a FRS/BRZ. They aren't building a sports car, but a sporty car with "features" to improve efficiency but not make it any more like a sports car including making it RWD to go after those wanting a RWD. __________________ My GBS BRZ Limited: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34772

09-11-2013, 01:50 AM	#14
Kelbyat07 Poor College Kid Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: ~.~ Location: Chicago Posts: 2,801 Thanks: 246 Thanked 2,182 Times in 1,249 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	American cars. Nuff said. __________________

09-10-2013, 09:04 PM	#2
Zoti Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: BRZ Limited 6MT Location: Allen, TX Posts: 158 Thanks: 3 Thanked 55 Times in 32 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	It kind of looks like a BMW 1 series. It will be interesting but in general, I think American cars suck.

09-10-2013, 09:45 PM	#4
clintavo Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: 91351 Posts: 128 Thanks: 106 Thanked 38 Times in 23 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This is old news. That said, I don't have high hopes for GM in this segment. I can't help but think of the Fiero. Ugh.

09-10-2013, 10:06 PM	#5
kakarot1657 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ (Galaxy Blue) Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 209 Thanks: 254 Thanked 114 Times in 82 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Looks heavy... I had rented Camaro a for a week while my eclipse GT was being fix at the time and even though it was the V6 version it was too bulky for my taste. GM isn't know for sporty light cars under 30K.

09-10-2013, 11:06 PM	#7
NOHOME Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: RAVEN Location: LONDON ONTARIO Posts: 795 Thanks: 86 Thanked 800 Times in 346 Posts Mentioned: 12 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	None of the big three has the automotive DNA for such a project.

09-10-2013, 11:24 PM	#9
Frstorm Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 Firestorm Location: Arkansas Posts: 356 Thanks: 53 Thanked 89 Times in 63 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You can already get a camaro for 22k, how much cheaper do they want to go?

09-10-2013, 11:27 PM	#10
tacoss23 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: '08 328i, '13 Accord Sport, '13 BRZ Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 159 Thanks: 36 Thanked 75 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah....no. Of all the auto-makers that I would love to see "competition" coming from, GM is pretty much last. Right behind Chrysler. Don't get me wrong, GM is trying, the new Corvette and the ATS are excellent vehicles. But look how long it took an American automaker to put a good product out there, 3 decades? This is the company that took decisions such as: killing their EV program in 1998 in favor of more SUVs, the same year that Toyota started theirs (which resulted in the Prius). It's still long ways for American automakers to catch up in this segment.

09-11-2013, 01:12 AM	#11
thill Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2020 SS1LE (previous 13 BRZ owner) Location: North Pole Posts: 2,753 Thanks: 328 Thanked 1,463 Times in 802 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You lost me at Chevy and cheap lightweight RWD sports coupe.. They would find a way to screw this up..

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