Tires, PSS or S-04, is there a real difference? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

fip · 07-23-2013, 03:37 PM

Everyone seems to love Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the Bridgestone S-04 has better pricing. Main difference seems to be weight: S-04's are 3 pounds (15 pct) heavier. In testing, MPSS seems somewhat better than the S-04, but the differences in measurements are small, <5%.

So in the real world? Does the weight make a difference in the FR-S? Is there a difference in driving feel?

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fatoni · 07-23-2013, 03:41 PM

why those two tires in particular? also, i dont think weight is as important as people make out. neither one of those tires is in the top tier street tire class

GoSharks · 07-23-2013, 05:01 PM

PSS are #1 rated tire on Tire Rack, they also won the Car and Driver tire shootout a few months ago. Reading good things about BFG Rivals and RE11A's now.

GTB/ZR-1 · 07-23-2013, 09:22 PM

If you're not using them for some sort of competition etc, then go w/ the S-04s in this case. My .02

f0rge · 07-24-2013, 11:59 AM

I have super sports and i really like them, for whatever it's worth i decided it was worth it to spend the extra $200 on what's probably the best all around tire out right now.

qoncept · 07-24-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by fatoni

why those two tires in particular? also, i dont think weight is as important as people make out. neither one of those tires is in the top tier street tire class

They also double the treadwear rating of the top tires in the class.

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Originally Posted by GoSharks

PSS are #1 rated tire on Tire Rack, they also won the Car and Driver tire shootout a few months ago. Reading good things about BFG Rivals and RE11A's now.

Ratings on Tire Rack are just about the most worthless numbers in the world. Go read the reviews accompanying them. These people are idiots.

IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.

zephyr69 · 07-24-2013, 01:28 PM

PSS gives the best all around driving experience. It is very balanced..there is a reason why TRD recommended these for street use...its because they don't compromise the feeling of the car while having a very decent amount of grip. You can still slide the car mid corner if youre heavy on throttle which is good fun on the right occasion.

I don't really understand how PSS are overpriced..they are cheap as hell.

qoncept · 07-24-2013, 01:46 PM

Scratch overpriced. I'd still rather have one of these.

fatoni · 07-24-2013, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qoncept

They also double the treadwear rating of the top tires in the class.

Ratings on Tire Rack are just about the most worthless numbers in the world. Go read the reviews accompanying them. These people are idiots.

IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.

they dont double the treadwear. i think they are close enough that treadwear ratings can probably be tossed out the window. if not, why not stick with the 240 treadwear primacys? it looks like the rivals are lasting a long time for the rating they have.

mav1178 · 07-24-2013, 02:09 PM

Treadwear numbers only matter within a single manufacturer.

-alex

ubersoph · 07-24-2013, 02:09 PM

I would really just get the Dunlop Z2s, or if you want a little nicer dd tire maybe the Bridgestone RE-11A/Yoko AD08.

King Tut · 07-24-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

Treadwear numbers only matter within a single manufacturer.

-alex

This. Treadwear ratings are only to judge different tires from a single manufacturers range.

King Tut · 07-24-2013, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1

If you're not using them for some sort of competition etc, then go w/ the S-04s in this case. My .02

I disagree. How well do the S-04s perform in the wet? The PSS still have a 30,000 mile street warranty versus none for the S-04s. I know every time I am out in the rain, I am glad I am on my PSS. I think they are well worth an extra $160 a set.

King Tut · 07-24-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by qoncept

IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.

Have you ever driven an RS3 at speed in the rain? They are down right scary. If you choose those over PSS for a street driven car, then you are basically choosing slight grip advantage in the dry over life.

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fip Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: FR-S Argento Location: San Francisco Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tires, PSS or S-04, is there a real difference? Everyone seems to love Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the Bridgestone S-04 has better pricing. Main difference seems to be weight: S-04's are 3 pounds (15 pct) heavier. In testing, MPSS seems somewhat better than the S-04, but the differences in measurements are small, <5%. So in the real world? Does the weight make a difference in the FR-S? Is there a difference in driving feel? Summary: Attached Images

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fatoni Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: miata, mazdaspeed protege, ls430 Location: socal Posts: 4,416 Thanks: 599 Thanked 1,443 Times in 787 Posts Mentioned: 28 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	why those two tires in particular? also, i dont think weight is as important as people make out. neither one of those tires is in the top tier street tire class

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GoSharks Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: BRZ Limited, WRB, 6 MT Location: Saratoga, CA Posts: 82 Thanks: 35 Thanked 7 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	PSS are #1 rated tire on Tire Rack, they also won the Car and Driver tire shootout a few months ago. Reading good things about BFG Rivals and RE11A's now.

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zephyr69 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: TRD FT-86 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 102 Thanks: 63 Thanked 104 Times in 36 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	PSS gives the best all around driving experience. It is very balanced..there is a reason why TRD recommended these for street use...its because they don't compromise the feeling of the car while having a very decent amount of grip. You can still slide the car mid corner if youre heavy on throttle which is good fun on the right occasion. I don't really understand how PSS are overpriced..they are cheap as hell.

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ubersoph Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2013 BRZ Location: Madison, WI Posts: 308 Thanks: 67 Thanked 56 Times in 33 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would really just get the Dunlop Z2s, or if you want a little nicer dd tire maybe the Bridgestone RE-11A/Yoko AD08.

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