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fip 07-23-2013 03:37 PM
Tires, PSS or S-04, is there a real difference?
 
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Everyone seems to love Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the Bridgestone S-04 has better pricing. Main difference seems to be weight: S-04's are 3 pounds (15 pct) heavier. In testing, MPSS seems somewhat better than the S-04, but the differences in measurements are small, <5%.

So in the real world? Does the weight make a difference in the FR-S? Is there a difference in driving feel?

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fatoni 07-23-2013 03:41 PM
why those two tires in particular? also, i dont think weight is as important as people make out. neither one of those tires is in the top tier street tire class

GoSharks 07-23-2013 05:01 PM
PSS are #1 rated tire on Tire Rack, they also won the Car and Driver tire shootout a few months ago. Reading good things about BFG Rivals and RE11A's now.

GTB/ZR-1 07-23-2013 09:22 PM
If you're not using them for some sort of competition etc, then go w/ the S-04s in this case. My .02

f0rge 07-24-2013 11:59 AM
I have super sports and i really like them, for whatever it's worth i decided it was worth it to spend the extra $200 on what's probably the best all around tire out right now.

qoncept 07-24-2013 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by fatoni (Post 1090717)
why those two tires in particular? also, i dont think weight is as important as people make out. neither one of those tires is in the top tier street tire class
They also double the treadwear rating of the top tires in the class.

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Originally Posted by GoSharks (Post 1090958)
PSS are #1 rated tire on Tire Rack, they also won the Car and Driver tire shootout a few months ago. Reading good things about BFG Rivals and RE11A's now.
Ratings on Tire Rack are just about the most worthless numbers in the world. Go read the reviews accompanying them. These people are idiots.

IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.

zephyr69 07-24-2013 01:28 PM
PSS gives the best all around driving experience. It is very balanced..there is a reason why TRD recommended these for street use...its because they don't compromise the feeling of the car while having a very decent amount of grip. You can still slide the car mid corner if youre heavy on throttle which is good fun on the right occasion.

I don't really understand how PSS are overpriced..they are cheap as hell.

qoncept 07-24-2013 01:46 PM
Scratch overpriced. I'd still rather have one of these.

fatoni 07-24-2013 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by qoncept (Post 1092759)
They also double the treadwear rating of the top tires in the class.


Ratings on Tire Rack are just about the most worthless numbers in the world. Go read the reviews accompanying them. These people are idiots.

IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.
they dont double the treadwear. i think they are close enough that treadwear ratings can probably be tossed out the window. if not, why not stick with the 240 treadwear primacys? it looks like the rivals are lasting a long time for the rating they have.

mav1178 07-24-2013 02:09 PM
Treadwear numbers only matter within a single manufacturer.

-alex

ubersoph 07-24-2013 02:09 PM
I would really just get the Dunlop Z2s, or if you want a little nicer dd tire maybe the Bridgestone RE-11A/Yoko AD08.

King Tut 07-24-2013 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 1093059)
Treadwear numbers only matter within a single manufacturer.

-alex
This. Treadwear ratings are only to judge different tires from a single manufacturers range.

King Tut 07-24-2013 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GTB/ZR-1 (Post 1091553)
If you're not using them for some sort of competition etc, then go w/ the S-04s in this case. My .02
I disagree. How well do the S-04s perform in the wet? The PSS still have a 30,000 mile street warranty versus none for the S-04s. I know every time I am out in the rain, I am glad I am on my PSS. I think they are well worth an extra $160 a set.

King Tut 07-24-2013 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by qoncept (Post 1092759)
IMO, PSS are overpriced. If you want a good, sticky tire, look at what the autox guys are running. Rivals, RS3, etc. RS3s are going to be the best bang for your buck. If you want a higher treadwear rating, you're basically choosing life over sticky. Up to you at that point.
Have you ever driven an RS3 at speed in the rain? They are down right scary. If you choose those over PSS for a street driven car, then you are basically choosing slight grip advantage in the dry over life.


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