Square or Staggered? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

dabocx · 02-01-2012, 11:18 AM

Wondering what everyone is going to go with and why.

Im most likely going to go with a square 225 setup, just a small bump from the factory specs.

7thgear · 02-01-2012, 11:19 AM

so you've driven the car on the track?

dabocx · 02-01-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear

so you've driven the car on the track?

Im not talking for the track, im going square for the street since its usually a little lighter on the pocket book

I wont change anything for the track until ive driven the car at a few HPDE and autoX events. Thats the only way to know.

merlin2111 · 02-01-2012, 11:23 AM

I will be waiting to hear what the benefits handling wise will be. With a car this balanced i might just stay with stock sizes to keep from throwing things off kilter.

Ryephile · 02-01-2012, 11:25 AM

We can only go off the media reviews, which are adamant that the low-grip 215's are key to the cars playfulness and balance. If you simply want more grip, then going to sticky 215's would be the logical first choice. More grip still? 225 or 235 all around. The cars balance seems to be relatively neutral, as is the weight balance, so there's no need to redistribute grip with a staggered setup.

Want "Stance"? Handling be damned, cram the biggest wheel possible out back.

bFreed · 02-01-2012, 03:43 PM

Staggered. In case I go with a turbo.

Also, I already have some staggered TEs

Dave-ROR · 02-01-2012, 03:52 PM

Understeer is better with a turbo?

Brzer · 02-01-2012, 04:14 PM

I would be tempted to go with 225/45/17 size just because they would fill out the wheel well more and look better. The added grip being a plus.

Ryephile · 02-01-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Understeer is better with a turbo?

If you're going to screw it up, might as well go big!

delongedoug · 02-01-2012, 04:28 PM

I'm buying mine in a year or two so you people can make the mistakes for me. Let me know how it all goes.

Dave-ROR · 02-01-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Brzer

I would be tempted to go with 225/45/17 size just because they would fill out the wheel well more and look better. The added grip being a plus.

And the bigger sidewalls, reduced gearing and additional weight would be cons.... doesn't make much sense IMO.

Mr.Jay · 02-01-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

And the bigger sidewalls, reduced gearing and additional weight would be cons.... doesn't make much sense IMO.

sense you are making too much of it

blur · 02-01-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Understeer is better with a turbo?

Considering you steer with the gas pedal, a staggered setup would be a good compromise between putting power to the ground and agility around corners. A car this oversteer happy isn't going to be easy to control after it has 600 hp. A large square setup would reduce turn-in responsiveness. So a staggered setup with big HP numbers is completely logical; I'm not sure why you think high hp cars can't get their tail out with a staggered setup.

Dave-ROR · 02-01-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by blur

Considering you steer with the gas pedal, a staggered setup would be a good compromise between putting power to the ground and agility around corners. A car this oversteer happy isn't going to be easy to control after it has 600 hp. A large square setup would reduce turn-in responsiveness. So a staggered setup with big HP numbers is completely logical; I'm not sure why you think high hp cars can't get their tail out with a staggered setup.

I'd rather just increase all around since most word is it's balanced.

I'd fine tune with suspension, not tire size.

02-01-2012, 11:18 AM	#1
dabocx Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Scion FRS Location: United States Posts: 1,267 Thanks: 564 Thanked 261 Times in 191 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Square or Staggered? Wondering what everyone is going to go with and why. Im most likely going to go with a square 225 setup, just a small bump from the factory specs.

02-01-2012, 11:19 AM	#2
7thgear i'm sorry, what? Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: Canada Location: I rock a beat harder than you can beat it with rocks Posts: 4,399 Thanks: 357 Thanked 2,508 Times in 1,268 Posts Mentioned: 40 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	so you've driven the car on the track? __________________ don't you think if I was wrong, I'd know it?

02-01-2012, 11:25 AM	#5
Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 103 Thanked 173 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	We can only go off the media reviews, which are adamant that the low-grip 215's are key to the cars playfulness and balance. If you simply want more grip, then going to sticky 215's would be the logical first choice. More grip still? 225 or 235 all around. The cars balance seems to be relatively neutral, as is the weight balance, so there's no need to redistribute grip with a staggered setup. Want "Stance"? Handling be damned, cram the biggest wheel possible out back. __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

02-01-2012, 03:52 PM	#7
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Understeer is better with a turbo? __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

02-01-2012, 03:43 PM	#6
bFreed Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: FRS, X83, W108 Location: MD Posts: 94 Thanks: 4 Thanked 20 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Staggered. In case I go with a turbo. Also, I already have some staggered TEs

02-01-2012, 04:14 PM	#8
Brzer Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ, 2011 Outback 3.6R Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 41 Thanks: 5 Thanked 8 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would be tempted to go with 225/45/17 size just because they would fill out the wheel well more and look better. The added grip being a plus.

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