Works panel filter independant dyno test results - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

sierra · 03-05-2013, 11:11 AM

What happened to this vendor?
The last thread to be closed was the best one i've seen on this forum with brilliant witty posts spawned by the vendor's unlimited reluctance to have his +10hp claims independantly verified.

Surely we're entitled to question claims for vendor's products being sold here, especially if they are very big claims compared to other similar products?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=thread+lamps

Xdragonxb0i · 03-05-2013, 01:26 PM

Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

The Flywheel will give out more Horsepower because there is less loss because of friction and etc. Works Panel filter make 10FHP with 20% power train loss we should see gains from 5-8whp, spend the extra 40bucks and get the works.

I truly think that the works may outperform my k&N ($40) filter by 1-2hp, but it doesn't justify the extra 40 bucks for the Works Premium ($80)

FR-S Matt · 03-05-2013, 02:02 PM

Do we need to refer back to my dyno charts again?

vtmike · 03-05-2013, 02:05 PM

Saw this today.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30372

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FT-86 SpeedFactory · 03-05-2013, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xdragonxb0i

Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

The Flywheel will give out more Horsepower because there is less loss because of friction and etc. Works Panel filter make 10FHP with 20% power train loss we should see gains from 5-8whp, spend the extra 40bucks and get the works.

I truly think that the works may outperform my k&N ($40) filter by 1-2hp, but it doesn't justify the extra 40 bucks for the Works Premium ($80)

Agree'd our drop in test showed most filters had small 4-5WHP gains over factory.

Not sure I agree with the marketing of flywheel horsepower, but to each their own. At the end of the day all that matters is what is making it's what to the ground.

BryanGT · 03-05-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory

Agree'd our drop in test showed most filters had small 4-5WHP gains over factory.

Not sure I agree with the marketing of flywheel horsepower, but to each their own. At the end of the day all that matters is what is making it's what to the ground.

"To each their own" applies to protect individuals with bad taste. Businesses selling a product are required to have their quantitative claims be in line with reality. I doubt they tested their air filter directly at the flywheel.

Dave-ROR · 03-05-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanGT

"To each their own" applies to protect individuals with bad taste. Businesses selling a product are required to have their quantitative claims be in line with reality. I doubt they tested their air filter directly at the flywheel.

You don't think vendors take an engine out of a care to test on an engine dyno? :P

sierra · 03-05-2013, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtmike

Saw this today.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30372

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Thanks for this. It's the first real test i've seen and is in line with the other drop in filters at the top end, as expected.
What is unexpected, assuming black is the Works, is the significant power loss in the 4,000 -5,000rpm range where the torque dip has been deepened and extended.

I will be keeping my Perrin drop in filter.

Sportsguy83 · 03-05-2013, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xdragonxb0i

Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

Its funny Works claims their 10 HP are at the flywheel because they use a Dynapack (connected at the hubs and for which the graphs always say Flywheel).

Perrin among other vendors use the same type of Dyno, and they ALWAYS make a case in point to say that even though the graphs say Flywheel, they are all WHP/ WTQ, measured at the hubs... (Which would imply Works Dyno graph meant 10 WHP)

Food for thought.

So thanks for the independent Dyno to confirm all of our thinking (Chachas345 would be proud!!!)... The Works filter performs EXACTLY like all other drop ins.... The "more than double HP" than other drop in filter claims looks bogus.

Keep the extra $30-$40 in your wallet and go with any of the other options priced between $40-$50.

Dr. BRZ · 08-15-2013, 09:39 PM

its been over 5 months! do we have numbers now? i want to know how much hp it really gets?

Dr. BRZ · 08-15-2013, 09:40 PM

if no numbers in 2 weeks ( when i get paid ) i am going to buy the k/n filter :0

Turdinator · 08-15-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. BRZ

its been over 5 months! do we have numbers now? i want to know how much hp it really gets?

Dude, two posts above you is an independant dyno showing basically no gains...

Nightbringer · 08-15-2013, 09:54 PM

They posted numbers immediately above your new posts.

mav1178 · 08-15-2013, 09:57 PM

Troll post is troll.

03-05-2013, 11:11 AM	#1
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Xdragonxb0i Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Drives: ex500r Location: AR Posts: 859 Thanks: 13 Thanked 105 Times in 77 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Can we just let the works panel filter die! Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel! All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL. The Flywheel will give out more Horsepower because there is less loss because of friction and etc. Works Panel filter make 10FHP with 20% power train loss we should see gains from 5-8whp, spend the extra 40bucks and get the works. I truly think that the works may outperform my k&N ($40) filter by 1-2hp, but it doesn't justify the extra 40 bucks for the Works Premium ($80) __________________

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