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sierra 03-05-2013 11:11 AM

Works panel filter independant dyno test results
 
What happened to this vendor?
The last thread to be closed was the best one i've seen on this forum with brilliant witty posts spawned by the vendor's unlimited reluctance to have his +10hp claims independantly verified.

Surely we're entitled to question claims for vendor's products being sold here, especially if they are very big claims compared to other similar products?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=thread+lamps

Xdragonxb0i 03-05-2013 01:26 PM

Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

The Flywheel will give out more Horsepower because there is less loss because of friction and etc. Works Panel filter make 10FHP with 20% power train loss we should see gains from 5-8whp, spend the extra 40bucks and get the works.

I truly think that the works may outperform my k&N ($40) filter by 1-2hp, but it doesn't justify the extra 40 bucks for the Works Premium ($80)

FR-S Matt 03-05-2013 02:02 PM

Do we need to refer back to my dyno charts again?

vtmike 03-05-2013 02:05 PM

Saw this today.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30372

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FT-86 SpeedFactory 03-05-2013 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xdragonxb0i (Post 773574)
Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

The Flywheel will give out more Horsepower because there is less loss because of friction and etc. Works Panel filter make 10FHP with 20% power train loss we should see gains from 5-8whp, spend the extra 40bucks and get the works.

I truly think that the works may outperform my k&N ($40) filter by 1-2hp, but it doesn't justify the extra 40 bucks for the Works Premium ($80)

Agree'd our drop in test showed most filters had small 4-5WHP gains over factory.

Not sure I agree with the marketing of flywheel horsepower, but to each their own. At the end of the day all that matters is what is making it's what to the ground.

BryanGT 03-05-2013 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FT-86 SpeedFactory (Post 773801)
Agree'd our drop in test showed most filters had small 4-5WHP gains over factory.

Not sure I agree with the marketing of flywheel horsepower, but to each their own. At the end of the day all that matters is what is making it's what to the ground.

"To each their own" applies to protect individuals with bad taste. Businesses selling a product are required to have their quantitative claims be in line with reality. I doubt they tested their air filter directly at the flywheel.

Dave-ROR 03-05-2013 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanGT (Post 773849)
"To each their own" applies to protect individuals with bad taste. Businesses selling a product are required to have their quantitative claims be in line with reality. I doubt they tested their air filter directly at the flywheel.

You don't think vendors take an engine out of a care to test on an engine dyno? :P

sierra 03-05-2013 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtmike (Post 773661)
Saw this today.


http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30372

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Thanks for this. It's the first real test i've seen and is in line with the other drop in filters at the top end, as expected.
What is unexpected, assuming black is the Works, is the significant power loss in the 4,000 -5,000rpm range where the torque dip has been deepened and extended.

I will be keeping my Perrin drop in filter.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1362500632

Sportsguy83 03-05-2013 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xdragonxb0i (Post 773574)
Can we just let the works panel filter die!

Works Claimed 10 horsepower at the Flywheel!
All of the dynos produced by ft 86 speedfactory put out 5hp at the WHEEL.

Its funny Works claims their 10 HP are at the flywheel because they use a Dynapack (connected at the hubs and for which the graphs always say Flywheel).


Perrin among other vendors use the same type of Dyno, and they ALWAYS make a case in point to say that even though the graphs say Flywheel, they are all WHP/ WTQ, measured at the hubs... (Which would imply Works Dyno graph meant 10 WHP)


Food for thought.


So thanks for the independent Dyno to confirm all of our thinking (Chachas345 would be proud!!!)... The Works filter performs EXACTLY like all other drop ins.... The "more than double HP" than other drop in filter claims looks bogus.

Keep the extra $30-$40 in your wallet and go with any of the other options priced between $40-$50. :D

Dr. BRZ 08-15-2013 09:39 PM

its been over 5 months! do we have numbers now? i want to know how much hp it really gets?

Dr. BRZ 08-15-2013 09:40 PM

if no numbers in 2 weeks ( when i get paid ) i am going to buy the k/n filter :0

Turdinator 08-15-2013 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. BRZ (Post 1144179)
its been over 5 months! do we have numbers now? i want to know how much hp it really gets?

Dude, two posts above you is an independant dyno showing basically no gains...

Nightbringer 08-15-2013 09:54 PM

They posted numbers immediately above your new posts.

mav1178 08-15-2013 09:57 PM

Troll post is troll.


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