With all these CEL/idle, chirp issues, should I postpone buying? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Iixii · 10-03-2012, 01:56 PM

I don't need this car but I want one right now. Should I wait until all these major issues are fixed or just dive in and 'enjoy' whatever comes with it?

Rayme · 10-03-2012, 03:07 PM

I asked myself the same question, in the end, the car is new and if you get any issues with it, Subaru/Toyota owns you a working car. With their reputation, after the small bugs are fixed, they should be very reliable cars.

I couldn't wait

jesperswe · 10-03-2012, 03:15 PM

Well cars that are being built as of today may be fixed. But we don't know :p

egraphic · 10-03-2012, 03:20 PM

I'm guessing here (with some informal input from a few Toyota insiders I can't identify), but what I'm hearing is that less than 15% of the cars by internal estimates are experiencing this issue. That means the luck of the draw - even at 20% - would be pretty low that you would receive a problem car.

My original car had the CEL and traction light problem after 500 miles - but the replacement car I was given on September 1 is now at 1,800 with no issues at all. Their VIN numbers were very close.

einzlr · 10-03-2012, 04:10 PM

Well for me, if I want hassles I can stick with my current cars. Pain-free ownership of a sporty car was going to be a major reason to get an 86, so I prefer to wait for them to get it sorted.

dsgerbc · 10-03-2012, 04:26 PM

I'd wait a month or two to see how the problems are being handled and if the fixes are working.

@Art_Mighty · 10-03-2012, 05:12 PM

There's a very small number of cars affected. My dealer has sold 20 FR-S's so far and I'm the only one to come back. There's a really good chance that you wont get the CEL (and know that if you do, you'll be in good company)

wallace03 · 10-03-2012, 05:19 PM

I'm in the same boat. Except i already ordered mine, but they pushed the ETA back to December from August. I want it now, but there is a little saying about patience that i can't recall right now

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.Alex · 10-03-2012, 06:14 PM

Absolutely wait. You're going to be spending close to $30k after TTL on a car, might as well wait for the bugs to be worked out.

DarkSunrise · 10-03-2012, 06:29 PM

If you can, I would postpone it until it's clear the CEL issues have been fixed. Taking time to drop your car off at the dealer to get those issues fixed is a pain in the rear (especially if they don't get it right the first time).

fasteddy · 10-03-2012, 07:27 PM

I would bet by the time you get one the issues will be resolved

Sigh-on-Rice · 10-03-2012, 09:52 PM

According to the comment from Subaru that's posted on Jalopnik, there has already been a fix at the factory level.
But some things Toyota and Subaru said in that blog don't make sense to me...

felisa · 10-03-2012, 10:41 PM

Wait for a 2014. My car is in the shop for 6 weeks now and still no real fix even the ecu flash

Jar · 10-03-2012, 11:38 PM

Yeah, I would absolutely not purchase a FR-S / BRZ at the moment. I wish I could return mine and buy a trustworthy car instead.

View Poll Results: Postpone or not?
No, get it now and deal with it	41	56.94%
Yes, postpone and let others deal with it	31	43.06%
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10-03-2012, 01:56 PM	#1
Iixii Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: NonE Location: NoVa Posts: 79 Thanks: 2 Thanked 14 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	With all these CEL/idle, chirp issues, should I postpone buying? I don't need this car but I want one right now. Should I wait until all these major issues are fixed or just dive in and 'enjoy' whatever comes with it?

10-03-2012, 05:12 PM	#7
@Art_Mighty uosɹǝdʎɐl ʇɹǝdxǝ Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Asphalt AVO FR-S w/a Slushbox! :P Location: Chicago (Edgewater) Posts: 908 Thanks: 741 Thanked 349 Times in 224 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There's a very small number of cars affected. My dealer has sold 20 FR-S's so far and I'm the only one to come back. There's a really good chance that you wont get the CEL (and know that if you do, you'll be in good company) __________________ ...because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn

10-03-2012, 05:19 PM	#8
wallace03 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: WRB BRZ Location: Houston Posts: 637 Thanks: 43 Thanked 143 Times in 95 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm in the same boat. Except i already ordered mine, but they pushed the ETA back to December from August. I want it now, but there is a little saying about patience that i can't recall right now (insert quote) __________________

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10-03-2012, 03:07 PM	#2
Rayme The Answer Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: Mazda 2 Location: Moncton, NB Posts: 1,233 Thanks: 488 Thanked 661 Times in 315 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I asked myself the same question, in the end, the car is new and if you get any issues with it, Subaru/Toyota owns you a working car. With their reputation, after the small bugs are fixed, they should be very reliable cars. I couldn't wait

10-03-2012, 03:15 PM	#3
jesperswe Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: GT86 Location: sweden Posts: 267 Thanks: 0 Thanked 73 Times in 42 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well cars that are being built as of today may be fixed. But we don't know :p

10-03-2012, 03:20 PM	#4
egraphic Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Blue Scion FR-S Location: Southern California Posts: 44 Thanks: 20 Thanked 16 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm guessing here (with some informal input from a few Toyota insiders I can't identify), but what I'm hearing is that less than 15% of the cars by internal estimates are experiencing this issue. That means the luck of the draw - even at 20% - would be pretty low that you would receive a problem car. My original car had the CEL and traction light problem after 500 miles - but the replacement car I was given on September 1 is now at 1,800 with no issues at all. Their VIN numbers were very close.

10-03-2012, 04:10 PM	#5
einzlr Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: several Location: norcal Posts: 903 Thanks: 421 Thanked 286 Times in 223 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well for me, if I want hassles I can stick with my current cars. Pain-free ownership of a sporty car was going to be a major reason to get an 86, so I prefer to wait for them to get it sorted.

10-03-2012, 04:26 PM	#6
dsgerbc Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: BRZ(sold), STI Location: A2, MI Posts: 1,915 Thanks: 176 Thanked 419 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'd wait a month or two to see how the problems are being handled and if the fixes are working.

10-03-2012, 06:14 PM	#9
.Alex Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Scion Location: D-town Posts: 50 Thanks: 0 Thanked 24 Times in 14 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Absolutely wait. You're going to be spending close to $30k after TTL on a car, might as well wait for the bugs to be worked out.

10-03-2012, 06:29 PM	#10
DarkSunrise Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: 22 BRZ (Previously 13 FR-S) Location: USA Posts: 5,798 Thanks: 2,187 Thanked 4,243 Times in 2,221 Posts Mentioned: 48 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	If you can, I would postpone it until it's clear the CEL issues have been fixed. Taking time to drop your car off at the dealer to get those issues fixed is a pain in the rear (especially if they don't get it right the first time).

10-03-2012, 07:27 PM	#11
fasteddy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: MN Posts: 184 Thanks: 89 Thanked 82 Times in 41 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would bet by the time you get one the issues will be resolved

10-03-2012, 10:41 PM	#13
felisa Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: Subaru BRZ Location: Canada Posts: 10 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wait for a 2014. My car is in the shop for 6 weeks now and still no real fix even the ecu flash

10-03-2012, 11:38 PM	#14
Jar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Drives: 2014 SWP BRZ Limited Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 219 Thanks: 143 Thanked 142 Times in 79 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yeah, I would absolutely not purchase a FR-S / BRZ at the moment. I wish I could return mine and buy a trustworthy car instead.

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