Hybrid or EV GR 86 by 2025?

[gymratter]

https://global.toyota/en/sustainabil...429.1624637455

[NARFALICIOUS]

Hybrid more likely than EV for the 86.

[Tcoat]

I have been trying to convey this exact message for 6 years now.
The 2025 timeline goal is real.
It has been published for years now.
I was truly concerned that the 2022 was headed down the hybrid road.

No doubt I will now get to read loads of reasons why it is not feasible with references to weird and wonderful websites that counter what the auto industry has been saying their plans are for years now.

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by NARFALICIOUS

Hybrid more likely than EV for the 86.

Aye. We will get several crossovers, trucks, and cars on the EV platform before we see anything niche, like a sports car. Probably in 2030 when the GR86 dies, they will announce the 2032 GR86 EV.

A mid-cycle refresh with some form of hybrid system would make sense a few years down the line. It would greatly boost milage but also give the car a lot more power, in theory. You might only add like 30 hp, but you could get something like 300+ lb ft of torque with an electric motor sandwiched between the motor and transmission.

I would be shocked if they invested in a manual hybrid, despite the concept *HV showing they have an interest in that idea.

[jflogerzi]

Toyota is still very aggressive on the Hybrid. Look at Mazda and the MX-5. Next gen is rumored to be some type of hybrid as well. Its next logical step to keep ICE sports sellable around the world till they are out right banned

[StE92ve]

https://europe.autonews.com/environm...es-europe-2035

[gymratter]

old, but maybe a preview (drivetrain) of what's to come?

https://global.toyota/en/detail/19001900

[Lantanafrs2]

I think 25 is too soon.

[daiheadjai]

Hybrid makes more sense for more markets, given the lack of EV infrastructure outside of specific markets. I'll be curious to see how they handle the weight problem

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Hybrid makes more sense for more markets, given the lack of EV infrastructure outside of specific markets. I'll be curious to see how they handle the weight problem

My guess would be more tire, more suspension and more power. I think there are fewer and fewer consumers as time goes on who are concerned about weight anyway.

[Ernest72]

No noise no want. I mean have you watched pikes peak with randy Pobst in a model 3. I mean he is fast as shit but you need a siren going the whole time because of no noise, very annoying. I would say at least 70% of my spirited weekend runs is to hear the exhaust or engine. Not saying driving a n EV fast is not fun, just that it’s missing something.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Does anyone make a manual transmission hybrid? I know the original Honda Insight had a manual option, but that was with a serial hybrid setup. Might this be the end of the manual transmission as well as the light weight?

[HKz]

Originally Posted by Ohio Enthusiast

Does anyone make a manual transmission hybrid? I know the original Honda Insight had a manual option, but that was with a serial hybrid setup. Might this be the end of the manual transmission as well as the light weight?

Pretty sure honda has been the only one with insight, first gen civic hybrid and crz.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I have been trying to convey this exact message for 6 years now.
The 2025 timeline goal is real.
It has been published for years now.
I was truly concerned that the 2022 was headed down the hybrid road.

No doubt I will now get to read loads of reasons why it is not feasible with references to weird and wonderful websites that counter what the auto industry has been saying their plans are for years now.

i believe it. that's why i stretched and got the vehicles i want beforehand.

though i am somewhat curious how they're going to work ev equipment into existing ICE vehicles. it's not like there's a ton of extra room in anything that they can just plop the batteries under the seat and call it a day.