Harness Bar? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

JustSomeGuy · 04-23-2018, 01:08 PM

if i wanted to put in a harness for my car what would be the safest way to do so? as of right now i daily and gonna try to make it out to the track this summer and always liked the look and feel of them when driving but heard a harness bar isnt the safest option and dont wanna do a full on cage as im not that extreme

Mr.ac · 04-23-2018, 04:13 PM

Get a bolt on one.
Before you go the track bolt it on. After bolt it off for daily driving comfort.

BigTuna · 04-24-2018, 08:34 AM

Here is an article about why it's not a great idea to run a harness bar and harness without a roll bar. It's specifically talking about a case with an older Civic, and I'm sure the twins have some more structural support than that, but it's still a good thought.

http://www.tracktuned.com/feed/2016/...oughts-on-them

Edit: the article comes up on my phone, but not my laptop.. sorry if it doesn't work.

norcalpb · 04-24-2018, 12:25 PM

The right way, unfortunately, is to get a welded-in half cage with a built in harness bar.

JustSomeGuy · 04-24-2018, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigTuna

Here is an article about why it's not a great idea to run a harness bar and harness without a roll bar. It's specifically talking about a case with an older Civic, and I'm sure the twins have some more structural support than that, but it's still a good thought.

http://www.tracktuned.com/feed/2016/...oughts-on-them

Edit: the article comes up on my phone, but not my laptop.. sorry if it doesn't work.

good read and concerning aha but originally i was gonna get just a harness bar from B pillar to B pillar but i would always be nervous of an accident aha. probably just end up staying with stock then aha thanks

JustSomeGuy · 04-24-2018, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norcalpb

The right way, unfortunately, is to get a welded-in half cage with a built in harness bar.

dang, but its the price you pay for safety i guess. thanks for the input

ST185RC · 04-24-2018, 02:31 PM

Slippery slope. first the harness bar, then the 4pt harness, then you realize it looks super dumb with a stock seat so you have to get a bucket. Oh, doesn't look symmetrical? uh oh gotta get a passenger bucket and harness on that side because if it's the stock 3pt harness it'll look dumb and wear out the seat pads where the seatbelt contacts.

Go to the track with the 3pt stock seatbelts first. Plenty of people do and are in that "enthusiast" category. Unless you are all-out racing, 4pt harness on a street car is overkill.

Code Monkey · 04-24-2018, 03:21 PM

I run the Essex harness bar with a full understanding I may not make it when the car rolls over. At the track, my setup is a significant improvement from the stock seat belts but still lacking as compared to proper bucket seats. I use stock seat belts on the street, with the harnesses tucked behind the seats.

x808drifter · 04-24-2018, 04:33 PM

Stock belt with Bucket.

arkanist · 04-24-2018, 04:55 PM

Don't run 4pt for anything where you are going fast. It is good in off-road / low speed situations but once you start going quicker you have to worry about submarining.

Kiske · 04-24-2018, 11:48 PM

There is an attachment for your stock buckle you can buy to lock down the seatbelt to prevent you from skiding in the stock seats. It's no cage+harness but a geat addition for spirited driving and tge icasionak hpde.

Ft86 speedfactory has some and even a video/demo on their youtube page.

SCQTT · 04-25-2018, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by arkanist

Don't run 4pt for anything where you are going fast. It is good in off-road / low speed situations but once you start going quicker you have to worry about submarining.

Even 5 points are starting to go out of favor for 6 and 7 points. It is all about keeping your pelvis locked in and keeping it from rotating.

04-23-2018, 01:08 PM	#1
JustSomeGuy A Nobody Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: FRS Location: Edmonton,Alberta Posts: 157 Thanks: 73 Thanked 65 Times in 50 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Harness Bar? if i wanted to put in a harness for my car what would be the safest way to do so? as of right now i daily and gonna try to make it out to the track this summer and always liked the look and feel of them when driving but heard a harness bar isnt the safest option and dont wanna do a full on cage as im not that extreme

04-23-2018, 04:13 PM	#2
Mr.ac [insert cool phrase here] Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: BRZ Premium Location: Central Coast CA Posts: 2,368 Thanks: 709 Thanked 1,559 Times in 930 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Get a bolt on one. Before you go the track bolt it on. After bolt it off for daily driving comfort. __________________ New daily driver - Subaru BRZ Premium Weekend fun/track car - '91 MR2 Turbo Gen3 Old daily driver - '88 MR2 Supercharged

04-24-2018, 08:34 AM	#3
BigTuna Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Drives: 2013 WRB BRZ Location: Ohio Posts: 672 Thanks: 258 Thanked 477 Times in 275 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Here is an article about why it's not a great idea to run a harness bar and harness without a roll bar. It's specifically talking about a case with an older Civic, and I'm sure the twins have some more structural support than that, but it's still a good thought. http://www.tracktuned.com/feed/2016/...oughts-on-them Edit: the article comes up on my phone, but not my laptop.. sorry if it doesn't work. __________________ 2013 WRB "Build" Thread

04-24-2018, 11:48 PM	#11
Kiske Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Drives: RX-7 / BRZ Location: USA Posts: 2,349 Thanks: 1,031 Thanked 2,501 Times in 1,081 Posts Mentioned: 27 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There is an attachment for your stock buckle you can buy to lock down the seatbelt to prevent you from skiding in the stock seats. It's no cage+harness but a geat addition for spirited driving and tge icasionak hpde. Ft86 speedfactory has some and even a video/demo on their youtube page. __________________ //2013 World Rally Blue BRZ Limited FBM Turbo--gone //2018 Crystal White Pearl BRZ Ts 2.2l Harrop Supercharged

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